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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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will usher host and we have a great show

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for you this evening we also have a

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special guest coming on on the second

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hour I'm gonna hold that secret right

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now the only bad thing I can think about

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tonight is I just found out just now

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that Alejandro is not going to be

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joining us for the UFO updates he's in a

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state of moving and all different types

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of things so at the last minute he said

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he could not make it so it's like the

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dog ate my homework I have no stories

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prepared to talk about really in the UFO

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world I know there's a there's a lot

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going on I think I saw where some

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professor is saying that I'm not sure

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exactly who he is but he's saying that

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he really does believe that we're gonna

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find out very soon that there is life on

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Mars

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it's a NASA's chief scientist here's a

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headline here says we're close to

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finding and announcing alien life on

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Mars but is the world ready

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what a nice what a nice title that is

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for getting a lot of clickbait out there

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that's actually on the Telegraph in the

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UK so anyway we'll we'll see how that

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holds out I remember about five years

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ago I was saying something along the

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lines that I thought we would find of

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signs of alien life on Mars within a

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year well I got that wrong I'm glad I

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didn't take any bets on that so I want

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to talk a little bit well first of all I

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a radio it's on our website as well we

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do have a blog this week another great

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blog that's actually it's one of my

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favorite blogs written in quite a while

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and that's by charles lear who writes

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blogs for us and it's called just the

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UFO facts and basically what he's

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talking about there was a really really

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great UFO researcher several years of

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several years ago unfortunately he died

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very young about 38 years old with

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leukemia but as

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name was Kenny young and I think he was

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in the Ohio area so it kind of writes a

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story about that also it gets into

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Jackie Gleason the old-time comedian

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when I was a little kid I remember

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watching that Jackie Gleason show so

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that kind of dates me as far as how old

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I am but I love that show but Jackie

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Gleason had a real interest in UFOs and

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supposedly has a story about Nixon

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taking him to see alien bodies now I

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don't know about that I think that's

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that can be a little bit out there but

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still it's a great story and Kenny Young

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did some work on that and so that's all

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in our blog check that out and we have a

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blog we've been getting them about every

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week or so a little bit about our guests

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chemin de he's a return guest he's been

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on this show actually he was on my show

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and quite a while ago I'm trying to

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remember exactly when now Kevin actually

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contacted there was a it all started way

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back when Robert Powell was on my show

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and Kevin kind of I think he posted

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something on YouTube and so it started a

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conversation with Robert Powell and

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Kevin day and Kevin day has come a long

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way since then he has really been

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getting involved in this I really do

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appreciate it I got to meet him out in

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Phoenix this at the UFO International

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UFO Congress great guy really a great

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speaker actually it was really

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interesting and what I really appreciate

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the most about Kevin and actually

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working with him I work behind the

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scenes there and as Kevin speaks from

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the heart nan he's he is there's no BS

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when it comes to things he talks about

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and you know this has taken an effect on

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him this whole limits case and he has

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actually come a long way since that time

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he's involved in a number of things and

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he was the guy when it comes to the

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intercept controller he's he's a Top Gun

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air intercept controller and he was on

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the Princeton I may be seeing some of

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this wrong but he was on the USS

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Princeton during the Tic Tac incident

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and was wondering what the heck was

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going on then our second guest Gary

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Voorhis he is his background as

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mechanical engineering and working with

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electronic and RF RF technician and he

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had some involvement in this as well at

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his time on the USS Princeton he had the

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task of security and inventory of top

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secret and classified information and

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materials including being trained on the

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W ASP military recon UAV for the Pacific

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Fleet during and enduring the Freedom

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and Operation Iraqi Freedom anyway on

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the week of the 14th of November in 2004

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he was an eyewitness of the USS Nimitz

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tick-tack events and so I'm really

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excited to have both of these guests on

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and I want to welcome them now to the

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show welcome to the show guys great to

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be here Martin this is Kevin day

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I'm glad you identified yourself this is

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Gary thanks for having us

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Gary I get the first time and I'm glad

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to meet you thank you for being on Gary

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since up since you have not been on

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before can you kind of give your

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background basically on this the city or

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the situation and your involvement with

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with the incident but first of all your

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background and how how things unfolded

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if you would my background is a aegis

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computer technician aboard the ship I

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ran all the mainframes Ransom Island

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Bravo's all the consoles and CIC I did

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that controlled all the data recording

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for the aegis system and it's easy

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systems and then also what hasn't really

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come up I don't know why I hasn't come

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up with q70 system that we have board

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was a hybrid version for the 6.1 base

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line for the ages it's when we went from

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a kind of like a the older ages system

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to the new Cod off the

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self stuff it's when we kind of moved

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into eunuchs and fiber optics hmm Wow

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now what what did fiber optics change in

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what you do mostly just the relays on

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the ship how fast everything we came

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back and forth through everything in our

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video how detailed the information comes

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in through IC and Kevin would you would

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you be actually working with with Gary

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at all I mean did you did you two know

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each other

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you know it's a pretty small ship

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what was it Gary about 350 people or so

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when we actually go on deployment now I

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just listen I was an operator Martin so

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I was not a technician and Gary was it

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was a technician in so he was up in

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combat Information Center up and see I

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see quite often yeah and I he was a

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third class petty officer at the time I

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was a senior chief so I mean baha you

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know our association was a little

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limited right Gary I mean yeah we would

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I mean we would chat not here and there

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he was directly in my chain of command

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so it was a little bit more casual than

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normal chief junior but you know he's

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always I tell you what this guy was a

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stickler by-the-book guy when I first

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met him interesting so uh so Kevin can

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you please give out your background

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basically and I know you were on the

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show before but and it may be redundant

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to some people but there are a lot of

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new listeners so if you wouldn't mind

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you bet I mean I joined the Navy in 86

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with the boot camp

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and did really well in my a school for

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Operations Specialist and I was able to

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choose my orders out of I got the first

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ticket orders out of three classes which

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was kind of cool and of course I picked

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the latest and greatest ship that they

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had was the USS Vincennes it was the

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first Aegis cruiser on the west coast

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and that ended up being my first ship

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made my first few deployments on that

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ship decided to stay in the Navy I'm

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glad I did

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and I basically ended up on three Aegis

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cruisers the Choson the Princeton and

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the Vincennes and I've done staff duty I

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was on the staff on the constellation

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and I for the Admirals training staff at

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North Island as well and when the

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incident happened in 2004 I had probably

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18 years of actual radar background and

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an experience on the spy-1 radar and I'd

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been in about 20 years but I had done

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some instructor duty - they took me off

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the ships and so that was a pretty well

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experienced guy on that radar when I

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started observing these objects and they

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were pretty enough Burton hood at first

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I didn't I was really scratching my head

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with the hell these things were I bet

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and Gary had you known anything about

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the objects in the beginning or did it

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just take a while to you know trickle to

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you Gary there yes I attended meet

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what's up live yeah yeah we were

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probably the first ones that knew it the

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spy radar guys were really because we

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honestly didn't even dig your real

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tracks we really weren't paying much

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attention to him we thought ghost tracks

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and just kind of clutter and the system

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just kind of needs to be recalibrated

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oh so you kept thinking it needed

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recalibration yeah we actually did and

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then we got a permission from the

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captain the tape system down and we did

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a full from top to bottom on it and then

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brought it back up and those tracks are

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still there as clear as day Wow Gary may

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I ask you something are you glowing I

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see you're glowing

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it sure is I'm a gamer so and what is

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the purpose for glowing in a game it

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looks it looks cool oh I got it okay

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very good so so what what happened when

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you go you went to recalibrate and and

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what exactly did that do alright so what

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it did is it cleared up any clutter

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there actually was and actually

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sharpened

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tracts and you know I say sharpen it

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means that the tracks came through even

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more clear and more defined they were

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most definitely solid object tracks hmm

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and did you did you alert anyone of this

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or is your your deal just to deal with

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that alone and not and not you know

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alert anyone in particular I mean in

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this situation were there other people

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saying hey you know what's going on

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beside you yeah there was plenty of

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people and that's really the

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watchstanders duty to do that they

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report to us that they see you know goes

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tracks or they're seeing the OSS will

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tell us something's wrong and then we'll

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fix it

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most of the time you see an OS for the

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wrench or a screwdriver you usually

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tackle them and wrench it away from them

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because they're not allowed to touch

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anything

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Wow Wow and carry your you had to handle

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the the classified information does that

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mean like you know this is a layman

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terms like radar tapes is that something

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that you'd also handle it would be all

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the tracking information from the spy

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it'd be all of the data coming because

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we also have a system that keeps track

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of the aegis system called warts and

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warts keeps track of its got data points

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throughout the entire AG system tells us

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everything about about the system how

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it's running and so all that information

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would be in there

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CC whether it's offer on any any

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peripherals that are attached to the

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aegis system the status of all the

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actual computers whether they're up down

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opera how well they're operating all

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that stuff gets recorded on data tapes

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mm-hmm okay well I hate to do this to

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some of the listening audience that

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knows these this Nimitz case really

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really well but like I mentioned a few

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minutes ago we have tons of new

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listeners to the show all the time and a

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lot of people are just plain getting

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into the UFO topic because of you know

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some of the credible stories including I

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want to say probably leading the pack is

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the Nimitz case so if you don't mind

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would one you want to take the handle

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and just kind of doing a nutshell of

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what exactly happened back in November

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of you bet go ahead bet mark this is

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Kevin yeah you know 2004 were that was

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quite a while to go now and it was just

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a few years in the you know the war had

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started and things were pretty hot have

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we we received orders to deploy a little

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bit early and so we were off the coast

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of San Diego

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the Nimitz it was us and we had the Air

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Wing on board now the Chaffee USS

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Chaffee and the USS Higgins also played

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but they weren't there physically with

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this they were hooked up remotely over

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basically a gaming network that allows

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us to play with them and I think it's

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like on the 10th of November I went up

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to combat I was already on watch and I

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noticed there was probably six tracks at

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that time right off the coast of

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Catalina Island which are north of 90

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miles or so and the reason why I said

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they were weird is because they were at

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28,000 feet in a kind of a tight group

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of a formation and they were tracking to

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the south at a hundred knots which was

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really bizarre because usually things

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that high don't fly that slow right or

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can't fly yeah I wasn't really concerned

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about them because they're way up there

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way up there were way down here it's off

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the coast of California and heck it

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could have been just something civilian

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related they didn't even know we were

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there had nothing at all to do with this

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but of course we tried to idea there's a

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certain process and protocols we use for

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ID and everything and everybody at

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combat kind of puts in their own piece

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of the puzzle and an actual human makes

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the identification you know our systems

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aren't automatic they're automated and

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it gives us all the pieces of

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information and then I was I was a guy

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that made the call I was a guy that they

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actually identified stuff who's the

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position in combats called the anti-air

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warfare coordinator or a wick and all

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attempts to ID these things felled us no

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it was it was it was really bizarre it

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was humbling actually we there was there

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was years and years and years of

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combined experience in that room and

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none of us had any idea what these

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things were and like gary said in fact

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we thought they were some kind of glitch

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some kind of problem in the computer or

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whatever so they brought everything down

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brought everything back up and lo and

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behold they were still there and they

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tracked down to the south and eventually

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faded off radar right around the

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vicinity of Guadalupe Island which is

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off the coast of Baja California and

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then it would be you know a few hours or

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maybe the next day I'd do it the

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contrary and watch and there would be

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another group of these things in the

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same spot doing the same damn thing and

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just yeah we we spent about two weeks

408
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smoked a lot of cigarettes and looking

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for bearings and trying to find lights

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in the sky people up on the bridge

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trying to find these things in the big

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guy binoculars and you know I wasn't if

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it hadn't have been through the fact we

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were gonna do a narrative defense

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exercise on the 14th of November there

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was probably a pretty good chance we

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would never would have never decided to

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intercept these things because like I

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said they didn't constitute any sort of

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threat there no no threat profiles no

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hostile intentions or anything and the

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only reason why I recommended the

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captain Smith that we actually do an

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intercept is because on the 14th we were

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going to launch a bunch of aircraft we

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were gonna do a mock air battle which

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launched aircraft off the coast of

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California and coming out come out there

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and attack us in a mock air you know air

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defense exercise and at that point I

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became concerned because of now these

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objects are in the same piece of sky is

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with her friendly with their friendly

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aircraft and there was a a real good

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high potential for some sort of

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air-to-air miss happy because we didn't

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know what these were sure and and based

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on that concern

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Captain Smith directed me to consummate

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an intercept which we did we I was a I

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was a I'm a basically I'm a Top Gun hair

442
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intercept control supervisor so the

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actual AIC who has not come out publicly

444
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was actually doing the control I was

445
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standing behind him on a parrot and I

446
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had set with the long cord and helping

447
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him coordinate external radio comms

448
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communications and helping them in

449
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interpret the radar

450
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so he picked the closest contact and

451
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commander Faber had to happen to be a

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hair born he was had just launched and

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so he vectored him in that direction and

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it was we had to the communications up

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in the overhead speaker and its man

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Martin as soon as he got to the merge

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plot position which is basically two

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aerial objects in the same piece of

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vertical sky brain so that when you look

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at him on a two-dimensional display it

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looks like one object now as soon as he

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got to that merge plot position we hear

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on the radio oh my god oh my god I'm

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engaged I'm engaged and there was just

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stunned silence on the ship that's what

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I'm supposed to happen in that contact

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that he intercepted so when you saw her

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I'm sorry when someone says they're

469
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engaged what exactly does that mean

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does that mean just visual that just

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means they're in the the they're in the

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same visual piece of their visual now

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with each other and they're turning or

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turning around each other it doesn't

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mean they're firing guns or anything at

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each other but they're actually kind of

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this kind of a bet so they're doing like

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this dance they're you know connected

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connected in that way we're a dogfight

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if you will yeah yeah so when he got to

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that merge plot position that contact

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that we vectored him to suddenly dropped

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from 28,000 feet all the way down to the

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surface of the ocean and we found out

485
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the next day it was 0.78 seconds 0.7

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lives so under us under one second yeah

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point seventy yeah this thing this thing

488
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would consistently move at speeds that

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would just blow your mind

490
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yeah what did a scientific correlation

491
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for UF ology coming up with your you

492
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remember the number like with a 1,350

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G's or something like that

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yeah it was ridiculous yeah and you know

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the human body can't withstand how do

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you know I don't know we can work and

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still remain without any type of

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detection anything maybe 8 G's the

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aircraft itself can withstand maybe 14

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before it starts to come apart I mean it

501
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then if they're using a you know

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gravitational system you know honestly

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the G's aren't even gonna be a thanks

504
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yeah and they buy that exactly what are

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you talking about Gary so well if

506
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they're like if they're manipulating

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gravity and they're doing where you know

508
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they're not actually moving with inertia

509
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there would be no inertia at all so

510
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they're not even feel it inside there

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inside can you examine yeah it was not

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non classical physics that's what Gary's

513
00:23:05,020 --> 00:23:03,350
talk about now we're all pretty

514
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convinced had there been some quantum

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basically basically it's like they

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there's the popular theory right now is

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that basically it moves through space by

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moving and make basically making a

519
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bubble in front of it of stretching

520
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space-time in front of it so that it

521
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moves through space-time rather than

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actual physical you know anything so

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that's like just sitting in this bubble

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that's not being affected by gravity or

525
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anything else it's just being moved

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through by its own propulsion

527
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manipulating using anti-gravity okay

528
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all right well hey where we are at break

529
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time so we are going to head into the

530
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break so everyone hang in there we'll be

531
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all right team we are in the clear just

532
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under three minutes very good I started

533
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the timer now listen Gary and Kevin

534
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we're still live on YouTube so so just

535
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:23,600
know about Mike yeah so yeah just just

536
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no swearing so let's see Kevin you're

537
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,450
out on the west coast right that's right

538
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I mean I live in Southern Oregon

539
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Southern Oregon yeah beautiful area very

540
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beautiful yes now I'm just I just figure

541
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:43,640
we will pick up where we left off when

542
00:24:48,970 --> 00:24:47,510
we come back from break but are you now

543
00:24:51,810 --> 00:24:48,980
that you're out there you've been out

544
00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:51,820
there for how many years now

545
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:55,740
about an organ yeah I was raised here

546
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,090
back and what back in my hometown

547
00:25:02,730 --> 00:25:00,640
all right had you ever had any interest

548
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:02,740
in UFOs or ever even paid attention to

549
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:04,450
the subject personalized I've been

550
00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:06,250
listening to coast to coast to him since

551
00:25:11,670 --> 00:25:10,060
late mid mid to late 90s oh so yeah I've

552
00:25:13,530 --> 00:25:11,680
had an interest in it I was never a

553
00:25:15,930 --> 00:25:13,540
researcher or anything like that but

554
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:15,940
I've had a passing interest in UFOs sure

555
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:19,600
ah hi what about you Gary mom I watched

556
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:22,210
x-files and honestly most of my interest

557
00:25:25,770 --> 00:25:24,730
is just how the tech works oh really if

558
00:25:26,460 --> 00:25:25,780
that's your interest isn't that

559
00:25:28,170 --> 00:25:26,470
something

560
00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:28,180
so yeah I want to know a little bit more

561
00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:30,160
about I think that's really interesting

562
00:25:38,190 --> 00:25:33,240
what you're saying about this gravity

563
00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:38,200
however you called that exactly because

564
00:25:42,420 --> 00:25:40,510
I think there's a guy named he's been on

565
00:25:45,870 --> 00:25:42,430
the show before

566
00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:45,880
his name is slipping my mind right now

567
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,500
Robert is his first name he has this

568
00:25:54,540 --> 00:25:52,960
theory about this gravity type of

569
00:25:56,780 --> 00:25:54,550
movement that he thinks is propulsion

570
00:25:59,250 --> 00:25:56,790
which i think is pretty interesting and

571
00:26:01,770 --> 00:25:59,260
basically things are like falling or

572
00:26:04,020 --> 00:26:01,780
something as it's never I may be

573
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:04,030
confusing him with someone else actually

574
00:26:09,290 --> 00:26:06,570
I think he does have more like

575
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:09,300
space-time folded or something like that

576
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:11,770
yeah that's that's that's actually a

577
00:26:15,210 --> 00:26:13,570
little bit different of a theory I mean

578
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:15,220
basically they all go into quantum

579
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:18,250
physics and one of the thoughts that I'm

580
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,490
going into you is basically there's a

581
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:23,200
newer thought about quantum entanglement

582
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:25,330
how like everything is connected at some

583
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:27,490
point in every point of the universe and

584
00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:30,400
so then using that you can technically

585
00:26:36,050 --> 00:26:33,190
open up a black hole you know a stable

586
00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:36,060
wormhole the whole isin yeah the

587
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:38,680
Einstein Rosenberg bridge type thing and

588
00:26:44,910 --> 00:26:41,410
just basically move from point to point

589
00:26:47,370 --> 00:26:44,920
at any speed anywhere you want well it

590
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:47,380
does it's not restricted to distance so

591
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:50,050
you can do it in small jumps you can do

592
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:53,650
it in big jumps so I'm I've been just

593
00:26:57,090 --> 00:26:55,210
kind of twinning with the numbers to see

594
00:26:59,130 --> 00:26:57,100
if any of that even comes close and I'm

595
00:27:00,660 --> 00:26:59,140
actually because when I couldn't thread

596
00:27:04,380 --> 00:27:00,670
through school for physics in college

597
00:27:05,550 --> 00:27:04,390
yet none of that none of this was this

598
00:27:07,470 --> 00:27:05,560
was like some whackadoo

599
00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:07,480
theory and then it wasn't like validated

600
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,040
until like within the last ten years

601
00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:10,960
when it's been a long time since I was

602
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:14,460
in school raised oh I have to go back

603
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:15,760
not yet

604
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,170
Oh 30 seconds before the bumper Rose 30

605
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:23,440
seconds so total about 45 seconds you

606
00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:27,610
got it okay all right no it's all it's a

607
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:29,590
it's all interesting and you know we can

608
00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:31,210
talk a little bit about the physics

609
00:27:36,690 --> 00:27:33,790
because that part of it I find

610
00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:36,700
fascinating I I have Seth Shostak from

611
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:39,150
SETI coming up in a couple of weeks and

612
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:41,890
you know I've mentioned to him prior and

613
00:27:45,870 --> 00:27:44,170
when he was on you know years ago maybe

614
00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:45,880
we just haven't figured something out in

615
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:47,680
physics because the main argument is how

616
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:50,320
the heck did they get here you know from

617
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:51,970
from there I think we're about ready

618
00:27:57,900 --> 00:27:56,110
aren't we race yeah we've got about ten

619
00:28:02,940 --> 00:27:57,910
seconds all right we're ready on this

620
00:28:04,530 --> 00:28:02,950
end Kevin it's good to hear you again

621
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:04,540
brother I hope everything's going well

622
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:07,090
with you yeah you should got a face for

623
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:11,850
radio of their race I know it here we go

624
00:28:20,430 --> 00:28:17,830
in five four three two all right

625
00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:20,440
everyone welcome back I want to welcome

626
00:28:26,190 --> 00:28:23,320
welcome back my guest that is and we

627
00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:26,200
have Kevin day and Gary Voris and we're

628
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:29,080
talking about the USS Nimitz case and

629
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:31,930
right off the coast of CA San Diego

630
00:28:38,010 --> 00:28:35,770
happened back in November 2004 a lot of

631
00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:38,020
time has gone by and speaking of that

632
00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:40,270
either one of you can take this up you

633
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:41,950
know our memory gets all twisted and

634
00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:45,490
faded and things get jumbled around did

635
00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:49,150
either one of you take the time at the

636
00:28:55,410 --> 00:28:52,180
time and you know make notations for

637
00:28:57,900 --> 00:28:55,420
yourself I know Kevin you wrote a book

638
00:29:00,210 --> 00:28:57,910
kind of a fiction book after kind of

639
00:29:02,850 --> 00:29:00,220
working this out in your head but Gary

640
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:02,860
how about you did you make notes or or

641
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:06,640
anything of what you saw witness mental

642
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:10,510
notes mostly about angles of descent and

643
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:13,510
speeds things like that and you know the

644
00:29:19,270 --> 00:29:17,110
way the way that it maneuvered and Gary

645
00:29:23,410 --> 00:29:19,280
did you actually physically see

646
00:29:24,820 --> 00:29:23,420
one of the objects yes I saw it on a

647
00:29:28,030 --> 00:29:24,830
number of occasions but when I when I

648
00:29:31,150 --> 00:29:28,040
say I saw it was through through a very

649
00:29:33,010 --> 00:29:31,160
heavily magnified set of binoculars that

650
00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:33,020
are mounted to the bridge wing of the

651
00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:35,000
ship called big eyes oh yes I know what

652
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:39,320
those are yeah and but you know so went

653
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:40,970
during the day we're talking that's like

654
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:43,520
a dot in the horizon so you're seeing it

655
00:29:46,180 --> 00:29:44,960
in a bear you know you you look at the

656
00:29:49,270 --> 00:29:46,190
bearing and you're just looking for

657
00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:49,280
something moving in that area at night

658
00:29:53,290 --> 00:29:52,070
you could see it a lot better because at

659
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:53,300
least you know because at least it was a

660
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:56,330
glowing dot but oh no I'm not I'm not

661
00:30:01,090 --> 00:29:57,890
really sure if I'm aware of the fact

662
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:01,100
that they actually glowed well it's kind

663
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:03,650
of like a white like whitish light you

664
00:30:08,770 --> 00:30:05,530
see on the horizon

665
00:30:13,030 --> 00:30:08,780
interesting and were you at this point

666
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:13,040
where you and your shipmates basically

667
00:30:19,090 --> 00:30:15,050
taking turns and the binoculars like

668
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:19,100
checking these things out well well the

669
00:30:22,210 --> 00:30:20,450
bridge went the brig Marines went with

670
00:30:25,390 --> 00:30:22,220
bridge wing really wasn't a spot where

671
00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:25,400
people could just walk out to engulf for

672
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,350
numbers so you basically had to make

673
00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:30,320
sure that you know it wasn't gonna cause

674
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:32,630
a problem because you still had all the

675
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:34,490
operations of the ship being steered and

676
00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:35,930
everything right there to the right of

677
00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:40,430
you inside the bridge so if the officer

678
00:30:43,540 --> 00:30:41,900
the deck at the time didn't want you out

679
00:30:44,740 --> 00:30:43,550
there you just didn't you couldn't go

680
00:30:46,090 --> 00:30:44,750
out there and they would definitely not

681
00:30:49,420 --> 00:30:46,100
let a whole crowd of people out there

682
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:49,430
yeah yeah now did any to your knowledge

683
00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:52,490
that any of the officers have a

684
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:56,270
curiosity to look for themselves I'll be

685
00:31:01,480 --> 00:30:58,610
honestly the I really don't know because

686
00:31:05,410 --> 00:31:01,490
I would just I would try to hit it when

687
00:31:06,970 --> 00:31:05,420
there was nobody there yeah yeah you

688
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:06,980
know one of the things that has puzzled

689
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:09,290
me about this whole thing is okay so

690
00:31:14,650 --> 00:31:11,330
David flavor and I think there was a

691
00:31:17,650 --> 00:31:14,660
there was another case where someone

692
00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:17,660
else went out and you know had I don't

693
00:31:21,970 --> 00:31:18,950
want to say dogfight but they actually

694
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:21,980
witnessed witness it an hour later or

695
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:23,930
something am i right on that they flew

696
00:31:29,380 --> 00:31:26,720
out again and and there was another

697
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:29,390
encounter well I know the the actual

698
00:31:32,770 --> 00:31:32,000
video encounter was actually the second

699
00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:32,780
set of

700
00:31:36,910 --> 00:31:34,160
planes that went out for the in for

701
00:31:41,470 --> 00:31:36,920
intercepts it was an actually favor that

702
00:31:44,290 --> 00:31:41,480
took the video right yeah so the thing

703
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:44,300
that's always been really curious to me

704
00:31:52,030 --> 00:31:48,050
is okay they saw this unbelievable thing

705
00:31:54,970 --> 00:31:52,040
this unbelievable technology where's the

706
00:31:56,890 --> 00:31:54,980
curiosity I mean to me I would think

707
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,900
that you know the government would want

708
00:31:59,920 --> 00:31:58,640
to just be out there studying this thing

709
00:32:05,560 --> 00:31:59,930
you know

710
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:05,570
things just do not work that way or you

711
00:32:11,670 --> 00:32:08,480
know what's the deal with that well just

712
00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:11,680
just for the kind of the casual relaxed

713
00:32:16,420 --> 00:32:14,180
way that the chain of command dealt with

714
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:16,430
it you know that they actually kind of

715
00:32:22,210 --> 00:32:19,490
lends to my thought process that you

716
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:22,220
know somebody somebody somebody

717
00:32:28,540 --> 00:32:26,720
somewhere knew already they they knew

718
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:28,550
already that these things were happening

719
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:30,170
or that these things have been there

720
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:30,890
many times

721
00:32:35,260 --> 00:32:33,170
well I I've got a working theory that I

722
00:32:38,170 --> 00:32:35,270
think it's our own reverse-engineer tech

723
00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:38,180
and that just a sloppy way that they

724
00:32:42,490 --> 00:32:40,100
they were because I mean when you hear

725
00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:42,500
about a lot of UFOs you know it's like

726
00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:44,420
they're here they're gone they got a

727
00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:46,070
purpose they come down they do something

728
00:32:49,810 --> 00:32:47,630
and then any leap we're here are these

729
00:32:51,910 --> 00:32:49,820
things were just basically just kind of

730
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:51,920
like hey we're here once you take a look

731
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:53,510
at us and then when we intercept them

732
00:32:58,540 --> 00:32:55,370
then they decide they're gonna you know

733
00:33:00,040 --> 00:32:58,550
move around and and you know so I think

734
00:33:02,250 --> 00:33:00,050
it might have been some type of proof of

735
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,260
concept of some type of our own tech

736
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:04,640
really that's that's your that's your

737
00:33:08,530 --> 00:33:06,530
your working theory on that that's

738
00:33:12,250 --> 00:33:08,540
that's pretty amazing I will tell you

739
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:12,260
this I had I'm in the basically the fine

740
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:17,090
arts and antique business and I I was at

741
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:20,570
a client's house just a couple of days

742
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:22,010
ago and I'm gonna have to paraphrase

743
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:23,600
this because I don't remember exactly

744
00:33:30,940 --> 00:33:27,440
what he said but he did work with the

745
00:33:33,490 --> 00:33:30,950
Navy and he had something to do with

746
00:33:34,270 --> 00:33:33,500
flight I think he says flight control or

747
00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:34,280
something like that

748
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:35,660
along those lines I can't remember

749
00:33:40,510 --> 00:33:38,810
exactly what it was but when I spoke

750
00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:40,520
with him

751
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,230
I asked him if he had heard anything

752
00:33:46,690 --> 00:33:44,960
about the USS Nimitz case and all that

753
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:46,700
and he said yeah he said I heard about

754
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:49,690
and then he went on to say things like

755
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,049
you know it's it's interesting but he

756
00:33:58,930 --> 00:33:56,480
said when he was out in California who

757
00:34:01,979 --> 00:33:58,940
was near some you know a place where

758
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:01,989
they were developing you know high tech

759
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,690
things possibly and he used to see

760
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,240
things show up and disappear and show up

761
00:34:14,409 --> 00:34:10,879
and disappear and he just assumed that

762
00:34:16,419 --> 00:34:14,419
it was our technology which you know I

763
00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:16,429
had never really heard anyone talk about

764
00:34:21,490 --> 00:34:18,020
until you just you know you're

765
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:21,500
mentioning it now but you know I I have

766
00:34:26,379 --> 00:34:24,290
to say that you know I would think that

767
00:34:29,049 --> 00:34:26,389
what they were doing is if we could

768
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:29,059
actually do that it just seems like that

769
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:32,720
would be so far ahead of what I would

770
00:34:39,069 --> 00:34:35,599
imagine we would have for technology but

771
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,079
if you if you think it it's possible you

772
00:34:44,319 --> 00:34:40,879
know it's just something we have to we

773
00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:44,329
have to think of okay like I said you

774
00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:46,040
know a lot of these working theories

775
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:47,629
that I have are just based off of what

776
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,210
could be true if you know if it's true

777
00:34:54,579 --> 00:34:52,879
that we you know recovered a craft in

778
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,589
Roswell well that's a good chance that

779
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,480
we've reverse engineered a good chunk of

780
00:35:01,120 --> 00:34:58,880
that or at least being able to use that

781
00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:01,130
tech even if we couldn't reverse

782
00:35:06,809 --> 00:35:04,430
engineer it but okay though here's a

783
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:06,819
question about that that theory then is

784
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:10,250
they knew I mean one branch of the

785
00:35:18,220 --> 00:35:12,710
whatever it is would speak to the other

786
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:18,230
as far as like doing your you know your

787
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:20,930
exercises out there and see when they

788
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:23,839
not be in the area at that time I mean

789
00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:26,480
it just seems like one brother they ever

790
00:35:31,390 --> 00:35:29,240
met would know that well it depends on

791
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,400
depends on the program I mean how many

792
00:35:37,180 --> 00:35:33,440
how long do they tip run before anybody

793
00:35:39,309 --> 00:35:37,190
even knew that word a tip mm-hm

794
00:35:42,250 --> 00:35:39,319
you know I mean it's it's it's really

795
00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:42,260
just all this all these programs would

796
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,230
just be you know they'd be secret so you

797
00:35:49,630 --> 00:35:46,880
wouldn't know so if they decide they

798
00:35:51,849 --> 00:35:49,640
want to go out test it against the best

799
00:35:53,049 --> 00:35:51,859
we got right now do proof of concept

800
00:35:54,490 --> 00:35:53,059
they know where we're at

801
00:35:56,349 --> 00:35:54,500
they know we're not gonna have a weapons

802
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:56,359
loadout they know that they're not in

803
00:35:59,280 --> 00:35:58,130
any way gonna be able to damage the

804
00:36:02,100 --> 00:35:59,290
vehicles

805
00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:02,110
hmm so they go out do proof of concept

806
00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:03,880
come back say and then you know

807
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:05,740
high-five each other cuz here I'll be

808
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:10,450
able to out dogís Wow Robert I'll be all

809
00:36:14,910 --> 00:36:12,910
champion here honest I am I don't I

810
00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:14,920
don't know I don't know what those

811
00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:16,840
objects were but I I know what they

812
00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:18,820
weren't because that was my job my

813
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,160
entire job was try to identify things

814
00:36:26,370 --> 00:36:24,160
that flew in the air and believe me we

815
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:26,380
tried we tried to identify him I do to

816
00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:27,610
this day I don't know what they were I

817
00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:31,030
have concerns if this was our stuff

818
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:32,260
because we are out there doing that

819
00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:35,050
exercise and for us not to know there

820
00:36:40,380 --> 00:36:37,270
was another exercise layered on top of

821
00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:40,390
us it's not like you dangerous it could

822
00:36:46,590 --> 00:36:44,260
also be potentially even illegal but I

823
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:46,600
have an open mind I really do i best it

824
00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:47,890
I haven't got the right about what these

825
00:36:55,740 --> 00:36:50,230
are because the US military has never

826
00:36:59,700 --> 00:36:55,750
done anything dangerous or illegal well

827
00:37:02,580 --> 00:36:59,710
I you know it's really an interesting

828
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:02,590
theory and but you know the one thing

829
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:06,400
you know I have to say Gary pardon me is

830
00:37:11,550 --> 00:37:09,310
if they did not have this gravity

831
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:11,560
technology that you're speaking of you

832
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:13,330
know it would just be impossible for any

833
00:37:18,330 --> 00:37:16,210
type of craft to you know be able to

834
00:37:21,690 --> 00:37:18,340
handle the type of 13-hundred did you

835
00:37:24,030 --> 00:37:21,700
say gee forced well the craft it would

836
00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:24,040
definitely stress that they would be at

837
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:27,160
the very edge of its capabilities as you

838
00:37:30,780 --> 00:37:29,050
know metal fatigue things like that and

839
00:37:33,540 --> 00:37:30,790
they're definitely if they didn't have

840
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:33,550
any type of gravitational propulsion

841
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:36,610
systems they would have 100% been

842
00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:38,770
nothing alive inside those things they

843
00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:40,120
would have had them in drones at that

844
00:37:45,630 --> 00:37:41,260
point yeah

845
00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:45,640
and so but this if it was a drone it

846
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:49,480
seemed to engage you know the the craft

847
00:37:55,830 --> 00:37:52,690
free-verse craft pretty accurately I

848
00:37:57,810 --> 00:37:55,840
guess that would be remote but it thinks

849
00:38:00,960 --> 00:37:57,820
just it just doesn't seem to make sense

850
00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:00,970
that first of all it could drop the

851
00:38:06,090 --> 00:38:03,430
28,000 feet and you know a fraction of a

852
00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:06,100
second and still have you know remote

853
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:09,240
capabilities I mean this is all just you

854
00:38:13,050 --> 00:38:11,710
know they would have remote technology

855
00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:13,060
for that

856
00:38:19,530 --> 00:38:16,140
in in reverse-engineered you know space

857
00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:19,540
spacecraft I don't think I mean we are

858
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:21,670
talking about some pretty seriously

859
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:23,710
advanced technology at this point you

860
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:26,410
know who knows what the range went on

861
00:38:32,850 --> 00:38:28,150
remote device would be four or something

862
00:38:35,370 --> 00:38:32,860
like that yeah and but Kevin there was

863
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:35,380
how many would you say that you saw and

864
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:38,560
want any given situation at will at one

865
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,420
time

866
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:42,400
um they appeared on the radar and groups

867
00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:44,770
of five to ten at a time and if I was to

868
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:47,620
add up all the groups over the entire

869
00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:48,910
period of time we were tracking these

870
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:49,990
things there was probably about a

871
00:38:55,950 --> 00:38:52,720
hundred total objects now I don't have

872
00:38:58,290 --> 00:38:55,960
any idea if they were a hundred separate

873
00:39:00,810 --> 00:38:58,300
objects or they were the same five you

874
00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:00,820
know groups the same groups basically

875
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:02,830
repeating somehow I don't even know if

876
00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:04,210
they're all the same shape and size

877
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:06,670
because all I'm looking at on my on my

878
00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:09,490
console is a simple symbology represents

879
00:39:15,690 --> 00:39:14,080
everything so it's um the base time I

880
00:39:20,430 --> 00:39:15,700
loose my loose math of about a hundred

881
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:20,440
altogether so you know the going back to

882
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:22,450
you know Gary's thoughts or whatever

883
00:39:30,930 --> 00:39:25,690
have it just seems like if there was

884
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:30,940
this tic tac shaped odd object objects

885
00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:32,890
that was developed by the military and

886
00:39:39,150 --> 00:39:35,800
they were testing them you just seem you

887
00:39:41,250 --> 00:39:39,160
would seem to kind of get the idea that

888
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:41,260
a lot of people would be seeing them it

889
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:44,110
wouldn't just be your situation you know

890
00:39:49,860 --> 00:39:45,520
they'd be seeing them over and over and

891
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,870
over and and are there any other you

892
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:51,040
know people that have come forward

893
00:39:56,130 --> 00:39:52,720
saying they're seeing the same objects

894
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:56,140
that you're aware of I know Kevin has

895
00:39:59,100 --> 00:39:57,490
done some research and as with

896
00:40:01,080 --> 00:39:59,110
especially with the sightings around the

897
00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:01,090
same area that we were at apparently

898
00:40:06,270 --> 00:40:03,430
there's been hundreds of people that

899
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:06,280
have seen it so yeah and that and then a

900
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:08,410
recent the more recent events on the

901
00:40:12,660 --> 00:40:09,880
East Coast with the Roosevelt battle

902
00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:12,670
group according to some of the reports

903
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:14,380
I've heard from those guys is they were

904
00:40:19,590 --> 00:40:16,810
seeing them some sort of objects out

905
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:19,600
there almost on a daily basis for for a

906
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:21,610
period of time but that's more like

907
00:40:24,660 --> 00:40:23,050
that's where they go ahead that's where

908
00:40:26,010 --> 00:40:24,670
the gimbal and they go fast video scan

909
00:40:26,490 --> 00:40:26,020
yeah I was gonna say it but that's the

910
00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:26,500
gimbal

911
00:40:30,930 --> 00:40:28,390
is not you know not your tic-tac shape

912
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:30,940
and then you're getting it you're going

913
00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:32,530
to be getting into some other type of

914
00:40:39,330 --> 00:40:35,500
technology that that is if it's our own

915
00:40:40,860 --> 00:40:39,340
you know it's that I mean they could

916
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:40,870
have different models using the same

917
00:40:43,950 --> 00:40:42,250
thing I mean they could be for different

918
00:40:46,050 --> 00:40:43,960
things because I mean the our f-18s

919
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:46,060
don't look like jumbo jets you know

920
00:40:51,150 --> 00:40:48,490
that's it's just a matter of or they

921
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:51,160
could have different purposes one could

922
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:53,710
be reconnaissance one could be you know

923
00:41:01,710 --> 00:40:57,040
for use for actual combat all right

924
00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:01,720
along those lines Gary you know when the

925
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:04,030
craft went right down and it was

926
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:08,130
hovering over disturbance in the water

927
00:41:14,310 --> 00:41:10,810
why would you you know just in your

928
00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:14,320
along your minds of your theory no one

929
00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:16,540
really knows what that was about either

930
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:18,460
but it wouldn't seem like it would make

931
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:22,210
any sense that if it's a drone that it

932
00:41:28,290 --> 00:41:24,490
would be checking out a disturbance in

933
00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:28,300
the water I don't know I mean and the

934
00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:29,620
only thing I could really I mean just

935
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:31,630
say you get remember all this is

936
00:41:35,850 --> 00:41:34,270
theories based off of no actual

937
00:41:37,290 --> 00:41:35,860
knowledge just me trying to piece things

938
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:37,300
together that makes sense to me

939
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,670
and if the thing that was under the

940
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:41,680
water has never been identified we don't

941
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:43,930
know what it was and it could have been

942
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:45,730
the controller it could have been a

943
00:41:50,670 --> 00:41:48,370
mothership it could have been a much

944
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:50,680
larger ship that launched these things

945
00:41:57,450 --> 00:41:54,970
yeah I have no idea mm-hmm so I have

946
00:42:00,120 --> 00:41:57,460
your kind of your theory that's your top

947
00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:00,130
theory but you're open to other

948
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:03,400
possibilities I imagine I'm open up to

949
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:05,290
any possibility if anybody wants to lay

950
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,090
something out and you know how follow

951
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:09,280
down any paths anybody wants and then

952
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:11,650
talk with them about it now Gary just

953
00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:15,520
one thing also do you think the

954
00:42:21,690 --> 00:42:19,600
government or would have that has

955
00:42:23,610 --> 00:42:21,700
knowledge of this that they could just

956
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:23,620
keep this thing quiet if they did have

957
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:25,510
something like this or do you think it

958
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:28,690
would have to be in the private sector I

959
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:31,030
think a little bit of both I think that

960
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,810
the government knows a lot more about it

961
00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:36,640
than they could ever even possibly know

962
00:42:40,170 --> 00:42:39,100
and they also are not stupid enough to

963
00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:40,180
think that they're going to be able to

964
00:42:44,380 --> 00:42:40,460
keep

965
00:42:46,540 --> 00:42:44,390
raps forever mm-hmm so I would think

966
00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:46,550
that a lot of the tech if it is being

967
00:42:49,450 --> 00:42:48,230
reverse engineering has probably been

968
00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:49,460
released to some of these bigger

969
00:42:54,490 --> 00:42:51,470
companies like you know Apple and

970
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:54,500
Microsoft and you know or any of these

971
00:43:03,000 --> 00:42:58,640
fees and pushing it out on the market

972
00:43:05,860 --> 00:43:03,010
all right so along your theory as well

973
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:05,870
then if this is the case then why would

974
00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:08,210
the Navy change their stance on the UFO

975
00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:11,060
status of of people reporting in the

976
00:43:17,140 --> 00:43:14,380
Navy pilots are reporting unidentified

977
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:17,150
objects why would they change the status

978
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:21,680
if it's our technology I would think

979
00:43:25,180 --> 00:43:22,910
they would change the status for the

980
00:43:27,010 --> 00:43:25,190
simple fact that with literally

981
00:43:29,890 --> 00:43:27,020
everybody having a 4k camera in their

982
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:29,900
pockets now eventually people are gonna

983
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:32,330
get good video people are going to find

984
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:35,690
real evidence on you know all these

985
00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:37,490
things that are going on and I mean and

986
00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:38,750
it could be a little bit of everything

987
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:40,190
that everybody wanted this straight

988
00:43:45,370 --> 00:43:41,990
usually the truth is stranger than

989
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:45,380
reality so I'm really looking forward to

990
00:43:51,310 --> 00:43:48,910
seeing where all this goes yeah I am too

991
00:43:52,930 --> 00:43:51,320
it's kind of like we're in exciting

992
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:52,940
times and we're gonna be talking a

993
00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:55,010
little bit about that Kevin because I

994
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,390
know you're involved I don't know I'm

995
00:44:02,050 --> 00:43:58,160
sure if you're involved with him at all

996
00:44:04,690 --> 00:44:02,060
and some things coming up but Kevin what

997
00:44:06,070 --> 00:44:04,700
are your are your thoughts similar to

998
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:06,080
Gary so do you have your own idea of

999
00:44:12,430 --> 00:44:09,490
what you may have been witnessing I

1000
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:12,440
don't know what they were Martin and I

1001
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:16,880
could be a really good answer yeah it's

1002
00:44:23,230 --> 00:44:21,170
completely honest I just I just really

1003
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:23,240
hate to speculate about it because you

1004
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,800
know if I go out on the radio here and I

1005
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:26,720
say yeah those are definitely aliens

1006
00:44:30,730 --> 00:44:28,970
yeah well then by god but I got to be

1007
00:44:33,610 --> 00:44:30,740
able to defend it and I just can't I

1008
00:44:35,260 --> 00:44:33,620
don't have the evidence yeah I'm not

1009
00:44:37,810 --> 00:44:35,270
gonna put I'm not gonna say something

1010
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:37,820
like that so the best answer for me is I

1011
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,870
don't know I got it so Kevin what you're

1012
00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:44,000
involved in a couple things do you want

1013
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:46,190
to talk about that yeah I'm kind of

1014
00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:47,810
picking it picking back up on the story

1015
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:51,230
um the the kind of the scene side or her

1016
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:52,670
commander Faber who followed the object

1017
00:44:55,499 --> 00:44:54,130
down of the surface because he saw the

1018
00:44:57,029 --> 00:44:55,509
disturbance and in fact he thought it

1019
00:44:58,620 --> 00:44:57,039
was a downed aircraft at first and it

1020
00:45:01,049 --> 00:44:58,630
turned out it wasn't thank God

1021
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:01,059
but this object when he went down there

1022
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:02,710
it kind of turned on him a little bit it

1023
00:45:06,990 --> 00:45:05,170
was aware of him reacted to him and all

1024
00:45:09,809 --> 00:45:07,000
sudden that object went straight back up

1025
00:45:12,059 --> 00:45:09,819
to 28,000 feet and again point seven

1026
00:45:14,940 --> 00:45:12,069
eight seconds continue tracking towards

1027
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:14,950
the south towards Baja California as if

1028
00:45:21,029 --> 00:45:19,390
nothing fun had just happened you asked

1029
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,039
earlier if we had taken notes and stuff

1030
00:45:25,380 --> 00:45:23,920
at night I in fact did I and one of the

1031
00:45:27,329 --> 00:45:25,390
notes that I did take is I wrote down

1032
00:45:30,089 --> 00:45:27,339
the latitude and the longitude of or all

1033
00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:30,099
of these objects faded from my radar and

1034
00:45:35,819 --> 00:45:33,220
it turns out they're co-located with

1035
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:35,829
guada Guadalupe Island off the coast of

1036
00:45:40,740 --> 00:45:38,650
Baja I'm not sure if they descended

1037
00:45:42,049 --> 00:45:40,750
there or they may radar just couldn't

1038
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:42,059
track them anymore it was too far away

1039
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:45,250
but I'll tell you what when Lou Elizondo

1040
00:45:48,509 --> 00:45:46,569
and Tom DeLonge came to my house to

1041
00:45:50,180 --> 00:45:48,519
interview me when I mentioned the fact

1042
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,190
that I had the Latin loud

1043
00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:52,480
latitude/longitude I didn't even get the

1044
00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:54,670
word out of my mouth and I'll never

1045
00:45:58,890 --> 00:45:57,400
forget this he's like we're going there

1046
00:46:00,180 --> 00:45:58,900
I'm gonna get a boat and we're going out

1047
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:00,190
there and that's that's what they did

1048
00:46:05,099 --> 00:46:02,650
that's with Sean Cahill Wow and when

1049
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:05,109
they were Guadeloupe Leon was based on

1050
00:46:12,569 --> 00:46:08,890
that information I was able to retain

1051
00:46:14,190 --> 00:46:12,579
from my notes so anyway um there's a

1052
00:46:16,109 --> 00:46:14,200
bunch of other aircraft launching off

1053
00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:16,119
the Nimitz and before it there was one

1054
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:18,670
point in time when we were literally had

1055
00:46:23,789 --> 00:46:21,599
UFOs raining out of the sky because

1056
00:46:26,609 --> 00:46:23,799
these things just started dropping out

1057
00:46:29,249 --> 00:46:26,619
of the sky in reaction to the aircraft

1058
00:46:30,749 --> 00:46:29,259
and they were all in the less than a

1059
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:30,759
second went down to the surface and they

1060
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:33,130
would pop straight back out 28,000 feet

1061
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:34,690
I guess when they felt it was safe to do

1062
00:46:40,769 --> 00:46:36,670
it and they continued tracking South

1063
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:40,779
dead 100 knots Justin that just let that

1064
00:46:47,249 --> 00:46:44,170
whole the way that he reacted and yeah

1065
00:46:48,839 --> 00:46:47,259
they acted like if you throw a pebble

1066
00:46:50,609 --> 00:46:48,849
into a flock of birds are gonna scatter

1067
00:46:53,730 --> 00:46:50,619
but they're then they're gonna regroup

1068
00:46:56,730 --> 00:46:53,740
they continue on there as if you know

1069
00:46:58,920 --> 00:46:56,740
almost organic like now yeah

1070
00:47:02,910 --> 00:46:58,930
very organic behavior and it was

1071
00:47:04,499 --> 00:47:02,920
prescient it was if I had to I had this

1072
00:47:05,789 --> 00:47:04,509
overwhelming impression that that thing

1073
00:47:06,970 --> 00:47:05,799
whatever they were they were somehow

1074
00:47:09,609 --> 00:47:06,980
alive

1075
00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:09,619
yeah but that is my own personal feeling

1076
00:47:13,359 --> 00:47:11,390
to get and totally based on how they

1077
00:47:15,970 --> 00:47:13,369
were behaving right

1078
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:15,980
almost like birds in a way now the that

1079
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:19,310
go ahead there's the other real curious

1080
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:21,609
thing about this whole situation is

1081
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:23,839
what's the point where they actually

1082
00:47:30,250 --> 00:47:28,130
showed up the point of where you were

1083
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:30,260
doing your yes what's that called there

1084
00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:32,329
is at one point in a commander framers

1085
00:47:37,780 --> 00:47:35,420
intercept where the object left is were

1086
00:47:40,510 --> 00:47:37,790
the location of where he was at at the

1087
00:47:43,569 --> 00:47:40,520
sky and that went about 60 miles away

1088
00:47:46,569 --> 00:47:43,579
and again less than a second it went

1089
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:46,579
exactly to this spot the spot in the sky

1090
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,890
that we call a combat air patrol station

1091
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:51,200
and basically real simply with that is

1092
00:47:54,310 --> 00:47:52,490
if you got a strike group down to the

1093
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:54,320
south and you got a notional threat up

1094
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:56,540
to the north we're gonna have several

1095
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,680
points that we kick in the sky and

1096
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:01,760
that's kind of just a point in this guy

1097
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:03,140
where the air crews kind of hang out

1098
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:04,839
till they get an order to do something

1099
00:48:08,770 --> 00:48:07,250
now there's there is no way that this

1100
00:48:11,020 --> 00:48:08,780
object should have known where that cat

1101
00:48:14,349 --> 00:48:11,030
point was and that's like right it was

1102
00:48:15,339 --> 00:48:14,359
right where right exactly where right on

1103
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:15,349
it Yeah right

1104
00:48:19,780 --> 00:48:18,170
exactly on it now they own the home the

1105
00:48:21,790 --> 00:48:19,790
whole point of what we're gonna be out

1106
00:48:23,490 --> 00:48:21,800
there for a lift what you just asked is

1107
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:23,500
that we were doing combat training

1108
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:26,990
mm-hmm so the whole event is the whole

1109
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:29,210
event prior to this whole intercept or

1110
00:48:35,230 --> 00:48:31,490
to intercept we were all doing combat

1111
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:35,240
training and for you know what there

1112
00:48:39,609 --> 00:48:38,329
that that is just that doesn't make kind

1113
00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:39,619
of continuing on the story a little bit

1114
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:42,190
cuz it kind of it kind of alludes to

1115
00:48:46,030 --> 00:48:44,690
something else that you asked me when in

1116
00:48:48,940 --> 00:48:46,040
commander forever we landed back on the

1117
00:48:50,050 --> 00:48:48,950
Nimitz he pulled the other there the

1118
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:50,060
flight crew that was getting ready to

1119
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,290
launch and he said hey you guys make

1120
00:48:55,870 --> 00:48:53,119
sure you have an attic floor pod loaded

1121
00:48:58,809 --> 00:48:55,880
the advanced forward-looking infrared

1122
00:49:00,609 --> 00:48:58,819
radar because it can record video and

1123
00:49:03,010 --> 00:49:00,619
that's the video that we all see the TIC

1124
00:49:05,579 --> 00:49:03,020
10 video and I wasn't there of course

1125
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:05,589
but it's been reported

1126
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:08,510
other people that chat under was a pilot

1127
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:10,609
saying this recently came out public he

1128
00:49:14,980 --> 00:49:13,250
said I'm gonna go find those things and

1129
00:49:18,190 --> 00:49:14,990
you know what that's exactly what he did

1130
00:49:20,170 --> 00:49:18,200
Wow and it's its base it's based on that

1131
00:49:21,849 --> 00:49:20,180
fact that we

1132
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,859
got it we're actually gonna go back out

1133
00:49:24,730 --> 00:49:23,599
there and find them again Martin while I

1134
00:49:26,140 --> 00:49:24,740
hope so

1135
00:49:28,569 --> 00:49:26,150
we're putting together an expedition

1136
00:49:32,530 --> 00:49:28,579
we're we're gonna charter a research

1137
00:49:34,660 --> 00:49:32,540
vessel and I've got this thing crewed up

1138
00:49:37,210 --> 00:49:34,670
with some pretty top-notch physicists

1139
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:37,220
research scientists trained observers

1140
00:49:42,099 --> 00:49:39,770
we've got a film crew that's going out

1141
00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:42,109
with us and we're taking a bunch of new

1142
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:44,980
technologies out there with this because

1143
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:47,450
we we want to create a situation where

1144
00:49:57,309 --> 00:49:56,620
incontrovertible evidence it yes UAP is

1145
00:50:00,819 --> 00:49:57,319
real

1146
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:00,829
yes UAP is findable and yes UAP is

1147
00:50:05,230 --> 00:50:03,710
knowable because if we're able to

1148
00:50:06,339 --> 00:50:05,240
capture the data we're gonna capture the

1149
00:50:11,049 --> 00:50:06,349
data and all different kinds of

1150
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,059
modalities to support the support as

1151
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:13,280
eyewitnesses on the ship and we had

1152
00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:14,690
originally planned to do it in November

1153
00:50:18,130 --> 00:50:16,190
2020 but I found out recently the

1154
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,140
research vessel isn't available till

1155
00:50:21,970 --> 00:50:20,480
December so we're pushing it we're gonna

1156
00:50:24,359 --> 00:50:21,980
push it back we're gonna push it to the

1157
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:24,369
left and go out there in December 2020

1158
00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:26,450
spend about ten days we're gonna anchor

1159
00:50:31,539 --> 00:50:28,750
off there's a little cove off the

1160
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:31,549
southern tip of sank many island which

1161
00:50:37,780 --> 00:50:34,130
is about midway between the Soquel

1162
00:50:41,859 --> 00:50:37,790
operating areas and Catalina Island to

1163
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,869
the north Wow or we can just anchor

1164
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:43,040
we're just gonna anchor there so we

1165
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:44,480
don't burn a lot of fuel so you're

1166
00:50:50,260 --> 00:50:46,910
saying this is gonna be in a year from

1167
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:50,270
this December a year from this December

1168
00:50:55,299 --> 00:50:53,510
correct aha Wow

1169
00:50:58,210 --> 00:50:55,309
and it's all based it's all based on the

1170
00:51:00,430 --> 00:50:58,220
fact that if you know if we found a more

1171
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:00,440
you can do it again if we find them on

1172
00:51:05,410 --> 00:51:02,569
radar once they can do it again using

1173
00:51:06,339 --> 00:51:05,420
other technologies we 100 are and if if

1174
00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:06,349
Chad Underwood

1175
00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:08,270
vocalize the fact I'm gonna go find him

1176
00:51:13,539 --> 00:51:11,470
then that's what I'm doing now and their

1177
00:51:17,170 --> 00:51:13,549
content plays a big role in this I

1178
00:51:19,180 --> 00:51:17,180
really do but that and Annette Annette

1179
00:51:21,250 --> 00:51:19,190
one local area that we were at like I

1180
00:51:25,780 --> 00:51:21,260
said there's been hundreds of sightings

1181
00:51:28,089 --> 00:51:25,790
of UFOs you AP's underwater phenomenon

1182
00:51:30,970 --> 00:51:28,099
all kinds of stuff over there so near

1183
00:51:34,030 --> 00:51:30,980
Catalina Island right yeah because yeah

1184
00:51:35,830 --> 00:51:34,040
there's that's pretty famous for that

1185
00:51:37,810 --> 00:51:35,840
we're going into break in just about one

1186
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:37,820
minute we're gonna be back with a

1187
00:51:42,850 --> 00:51:40,970
another guest I'll be talking about but

1188
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:42,860
I do have an announcement I'm pretty

1189
00:51:48,460 --> 00:51:45,290
excited because I just got an email

1190
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:48,470
confirmation that the one and only

1191
00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:51,890
Jacque Olay will be on next week on this

1192
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:53,990
show some program

1193
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:58,400
pretty happy about that so we have just

1194
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:01,760
about a minute and are a little bit less

1195
00:52:04,810 --> 00:52:03,290
than that would be going to break I do

1196
00:52:09,250 --> 00:52:04,820
want to say that we're going to be

1197
00:52:10,930 --> 00:52:09,260
coming back with Robert Powell he's

1198
00:52:12,930 --> 00:52:10,940
going to be joining the three of us I

1199
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:12,940
think you kind of did the spoiler there

1200
00:52:17,860 --> 00:52:15,650
Kevin you kind of said we can talk about

1201
00:52:19,570 --> 00:52:17,870
that with Robert later I don't know if

1202
00:52:21,330 --> 00:52:19,580
anyone caught that or not but that's

1203
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:21,340
okay

1204
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:25,010
but anyway hang in everyone we'll be

1205
00:52:28,990 --> 00:52:26,330
right back

1206
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:29,000
we're going to go on a hard break over

1207
00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:32,210
at YouTube and we'll be back right back

1208
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:44,620
all right everyone welcome back this is

1209
00:52:50,590 --> 00:52:46,850
Martin Willis and my guest this evening

1210
00:52:54,270 --> 00:52:50,600
is Kevin day and Gary forests witnesses

1211
00:52:57,780 --> 00:52:54,280
to the USS Nimitz tic-tac-toe

1212
00:53:03,400 --> 00:52:57,790
tic-tac-toe did you hear me say that

1213
00:53:05,620 --> 00:53:03,410
tic-tac UFO incident back in 2004 we

1214
00:53:09,850 --> 00:53:05,630
have an additional guest I'm really

1215
00:53:11,860 --> 00:53:09,860
excited to say that Robert Powell has

1216
00:53:15,010 --> 00:53:11,870
joined us Robert thank you and welcome

1217
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:15,020
to the show oh it's good to see you

1218
00:53:19,780 --> 00:53:16,880
again Martin I think it's been a year or

1219
00:53:22,210 --> 00:53:19,790
so since I last was on your show yeah it

1220
00:53:23,530 --> 00:53:22,220
wasn't really that long ago but you know

1221
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:23,540
I was talking in the very beginning of

1222
00:53:29,650 --> 00:53:27,410
the show how how Kevin actually wrote a

1223
00:53:32,110 --> 00:53:29,660
post on the YouTube that you and I did

1224
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:32,120
together and you connected that way

1225
00:53:39,460 --> 00:53:34,690
initially yeah actually that's how I

1226
00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:39,470
that's how I first found Kevin was I did

1227
00:53:44,650 --> 00:53:42,320
it I'm trying to remember if we did the

1228
00:53:47,410 --> 00:53:44,660
your show right before the New York

1229
00:53:49,210 --> 00:53:47,420
Times article yes that's right

1230
00:53:52,740 --> 00:53:49,220
yeah it was because I started working on

1231
00:53:56,259 --> 00:53:52,750
it in late 2016

1232
00:53:58,420 --> 00:53:56,269
and then I did your show and then I saw

1233
00:54:01,150 --> 00:53:58,430
a little note from Kevin where I don't

1234
00:54:02,620 --> 00:54:01,160
even remember what he wrote and I but I

1235
00:54:05,170 --> 00:54:02,630
could tell from the way he wrote it

1236
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:05,180
while you know okay this is someone I

1237
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:07,930
should try to reach so I sent him my

1238
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:10,490
email or a text or something like that

1239
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:12,529
on Facebook you told me yeah yeah I

1240
00:54:18,609 --> 00:54:14,930
think so yeah me and Kevin got back with

1241
00:54:22,329 --> 00:54:18,619
me and I interviewed Kevin in January of

1242
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:22,339
2018 probably about three or four weeks

1243
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:25,930
after the New York Times story broke and

1244
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:32,240
then Kevin's story was so amazing that I

1245
00:54:37,509 --> 00:54:34,910
wanted to get some confirmation so I

1246
00:54:41,859 --> 00:54:37,519
went onto Facebook and I I looked up the

1247
00:54:44,259 --> 00:54:41,869
USS Princeton and I got on to their site

1248
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:44,269
they let me on whoever the traitor is

1249
00:54:50,609 --> 00:54:47,510
and that's how I found Gary I just

1250
00:54:54,759 --> 00:54:50,619
started reading through the site and I

1251
00:54:57,279 --> 00:54:54,769
contacted everyone who on that site it

1252
00:55:01,210 --> 00:54:57,289
indicated they had knowledge of the

1253
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,220
event and really yeah because I wanted

1254
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,680
someone to confirm what Kevin had told

1255
00:55:08,799 --> 00:55:06,160
me because it was it was pretty amazing

1256
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:08,809
and that's actually the only reason I

1257
00:55:16,749 --> 00:55:11,450
ever came out to begin with is just in

1258
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:16,759
support of Kevin really so so Gary well

1259
00:55:22,569 --> 00:55:18,170
while you're on right now

1260
00:55:24,130 --> 00:55:22,579
if if this had not happened would this

1261
00:55:26,019 --> 00:55:24,140
just be something you would have just

1262
00:55:28,690 --> 00:55:26,029
taken to your grave basically and not

1263
00:55:30,430 --> 00:55:28,700
talked about publicly well I probably

1264
00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:30,440
would have still talked about it when I

1265
00:55:37,420 --> 00:55:31,880
drank and I don't really drink for

1266
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:37,430
though yeah and had you talked to family

1267
00:55:43,809 --> 00:55:41,049
members and friends about this quietly

1268
00:55:45,999 --> 00:55:43,819
some people but you know you know not a

1269
00:55:49,529 --> 00:55:46,009
lot of people even want to know about

1270
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:49,539
this stuff so and how about now

1271
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:54,559
well I don't even get recognized so now

1272
00:56:01,390 --> 00:55:57,170
I really tucked it to many people yeah

1273
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:01,400
yeah but how about you were on a

1274
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:04,010
unidentified Chris melon who's been on

1275
00:56:09,550 --> 00:56:06,850
the show actually interviewed you and

1276
00:56:12,460 --> 00:56:09,560
after that happened did you get

1277
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:12,470
contacted um I had a lot of my old

1278
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:14,810
shipmates contact me because you get

1279
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:17,810
remember our memories er yeah 14 years

1280
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:21,440
later and you know telling me yeah you

1281
00:56:24,850 --> 00:56:23,090
know you were right on with that but hey

1282
00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:24,860
you might uh you know you might want to

1283
00:56:28,420 --> 00:56:26,270
say it this way because this is actually

1284
00:56:29,950 --> 00:56:28,430
kind of how that works you know I've

1285
00:56:35,140 --> 00:56:29,960
gotten a lot of confirmation and I've

1286
00:56:37,540 --> 00:56:35,150
gotten a lot of you know people be able

1287
00:56:39,460 --> 00:56:37,550
to confirm and deny a lot of stuff like

1288
00:56:41,590 --> 00:56:39,470
the USO s and stuff like that because

1289
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:41,600
we've actually had it edited a lot of

1290
00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:43,910
that stuff because what I was told at

1291
00:56:48,460 --> 00:56:45,710
the time was from a junior personnel and

1292
00:56:49,870 --> 00:56:48,470
apparently if he had known anything

1293
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:49,880
about it it would have been something he

1294
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:51,890
did on his own it wouldn't know anything

1295
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:54,530
in a official capacity oh so it couldn't

1296
00:56:59,610 --> 00:56:57,410
be collaborated basically exactly so I

1297
00:57:01,240 --> 00:56:59,620
completely redacted that because it was

1298
00:57:03,130 --> 00:57:01,250
even though it was something that

1299
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:03,140
literally was told to me at the time I

1300
00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:06,410
you know the senior personnel that told

1301
00:57:10,660 --> 00:57:08,750
me about this was a sonar technician and

1302
00:57:13,780 --> 00:57:10,670
one of the more high ranking ones that I

1303
00:57:15,970 --> 00:57:13,790
knew personally and trusted about the

1304
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:15,980
object going in into the actual ocean

1305
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:16,610
right Gary

1306
00:57:21,580 --> 00:57:19,010
there are us being able to track it at

1307
00:57:23,860 --> 00:57:21,590
the time if it was tracked it was not by

1308
00:57:26,620 --> 00:57:23,870
our ship our ship would other than

1309
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:26,630
getting a ping you know it was not gonna

1310
00:57:29,890 --> 00:57:28,490
be able to tell you burying speed or

1311
00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:29,900
anything on anything because we did not

1312
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:32,990
have our sonar buoys in our tail in the

1313
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:36,010
water I see I've wondered about that I

1314
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:40,490
wondered about the sonar Robert going

1315
00:57:46,090 --> 00:57:43,010
back to the Facebook page and you

1316
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:46,100
contacting everyone how did that pan out

1317
00:57:53,290 --> 00:57:50,690
overall I it worked out really well

1318
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:53,300
because my main objective is I wanted to

1319
00:58:03,580 --> 00:57:58,640
talk to everyone I could before they

1320
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:03,590
became you know interactive with the UFO

1321
00:58:08,530 --> 00:58:06,170
community and all that because our

1322
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,540
memories change and you know you hear

1323
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:10,640
other people say things the more it can

1324
00:58:14,770 --> 00:58:13,910
affect you that's right all of us are

1325
00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:14,780
like that

1326
00:58:21,370 --> 00:58:18,440
but the two things that after talking to

1327
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:21,380
cabinet I really wanted to verify one

1328
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:24,050
was that point seven eight seconds right

1329
00:58:31,060 --> 00:58:26,930
because the speed calculations and

1330
00:58:32,650 --> 00:58:31,070
accelerations on that earth I mean

1331
00:58:37,150 --> 00:58:32,660
you're talking about thousands of

1332
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:37,160
g-forces and speeds so fast that an

1333
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:38,720
object should just burned up in the

1334
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:40,910
atmosphere well I wanted to verify that

1335
00:58:47,260 --> 00:58:43,850
and I wanted to verify Kevin telling me

1336
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:47,270
that the tapes had been erased when he

1337
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:49,610
went there the next funny story about

1338
00:58:54,190 --> 00:58:51,890
that is when he still at his story but

1339
00:58:57,970 --> 00:58:54,200
it I've laughed and because I'm the one

1340
00:58:59,980 --> 00:58:57,980
that erased himself right yeah your race

1341
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,990
them but so that one of the first things

1342
00:59:04,260 --> 00:59:01,520
I asked Gary and I don't know if you

1343
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,270
remember this Gary can we talk but I

1344
00:59:09,610 --> 00:59:07,280
asked you if if you knew Kevin and how

1345
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:09,620
well you knew him and the reason I was

1346
00:59:14,350 --> 00:59:11,810
asking that was because I wanted to know

1347
00:59:16,690 --> 00:59:14,360
I wanted to know whether you guys have

1348
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:16,700
been communicating right or am I getting

1349
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,720
a totally independent comment and what

1350
00:59:24,790 --> 00:59:22,640
you told me is you were aware of him on

1351
00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:24,800
the ship but it's not like you guys at

1352
00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:26,390
that time I think you're close friends

1353
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:29,390
now but at that time my understanding

1354
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:31,130
was you guys were close friends yeah the

1355
00:59:35,110 --> 00:59:33,110
the the the rank between us would have

1356
00:59:36,580 --> 00:59:35,120
kept us from having like you know we

1357
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:36,590
were sitting down and having coffee with

1358
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:38,810
each other but you know casual

1359
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:40,910
conversation on the bridge and you know

1360
00:59:45,970 --> 00:59:43,850
inside CSC stuff like that but you know

1361
00:59:50,650 --> 00:59:45,980
and it was always you know senior chief

1362
00:59:52,810 --> 00:59:50,660
petty officer right so that was good

1363
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:52,820
because what that way when I interviewed

1364
00:59:59,410 --> 00:59:57,170
you I could I had a truly second

1365
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,420
independent witness and someone I asked

1366
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:01,280
you about how long it took I always

1367
01:00:07,630 --> 01:00:03,650
remember your answer it's kind of burned

1368
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,640
into my head and I cuz I said you know

1369
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:10,400
how long did it take and you said how

1370
01:00:16,090 --> 01:00:12,110
long did it take you to generate that

1371
01:00:19,420 --> 01:00:16,100
thought in your head sounds like

1372
01:00:21,130 --> 01:00:19,430
something I'd say and so that fits very

1373
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,140
well with Kevin's point seven eight

1374
01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:22,880
seconds my thoughts are about point

1375
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:26,630
seven two seconds just on a good day

1376
01:00:32,170 --> 01:00:29,119
right now yeah it's pretty cool

1377
01:00:34,359 --> 01:00:32,180
and then the other part what you just

1378
01:00:36,279 --> 01:00:34,369
mentioned is I wanted to verify you know

1379
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,289
why were the did you have any

1380
01:00:40,930 --> 01:00:38,480
information about the tapes being

1381
01:00:43,150 --> 01:00:40,940
deleted and of course like you said

1382
01:00:45,099 --> 01:00:43,160
you're the one who deleted them and then

1383
01:00:47,140 --> 01:00:45,109
you told me about the helicopter that

1384
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:47,150
landed and they requested

1385
01:00:52,690 --> 01:00:49,730
yeah the physical dead recording off of

1386
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:52,700
the you know Aegis system that was taken

1387
01:00:57,730 --> 01:00:54,410
that was taken by the chain of command

1388
01:00:59,859 --> 01:00:57,740
and then relinquished and then anything

1389
01:01:03,989 --> 01:00:59,869
else that wasn't on tape was just

1390
01:01:06,130 --> 01:01:03,999
deleted you know is that Gary is that a

1391
01:01:09,609 --> 01:01:06,140
standard procedure or was there

1392
01:01:13,509 --> 01:01:09,619
something a little awry in that hello

1393
01:01:15,249 --> 01:01:13,519
with any any type of incident or event

1394
01:01:16,779 --> 01:01:15,259
the only other time I've ever had to

1395
01:01:19,539 --> 01:01:16,789
worry about that recording is when a

1396
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:19,549
yeah yeah I think it was either a plane

1397
01:01:24,190 --> 01:01:21,410
or a helicopter went down during our

1398
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:24,200
last deployment and they needed all the

1399
01:01:30,249 --> 01:01:25,970
tapes for that and it was kind of

1400
01:01:32,109 --> 01:01:30,259
similar to that situation and but it

1401
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:32,119
wasn't as immediate you know there was

1402
01:01:37,210 --> 01:01:35,359
literally somebody pretty quickly it was

1403
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:37,220
in the same day that the intercept

1404
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:38,960
happened that we watched the video and

1405
01:01:45,249 --> 01:01:41,089
then of course all the data recording

1406
01:01:49,690 --> 01:01:45,259
he's gone and I actually found a time in

1407
01:01:54,249 --> 01:01:49,700
history where that occurred before not a

1408
01:01:56,049 --> 01:01:54,259
UFO event but the USS and I guess Kevin

1409
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,059
you were on this ship I think at the

1410
01:02:00,880 --> 01:01:58,640
time this occurred the USS Vincent then

1411
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:00,890
sent us if I pronounced it right I got

1412
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:03,680
about the Airbus incident yeah where we

1413
01:02:13,660 --> 01:02:11,359
shot down a yeah I really yeah all I'm

1414
01:02:16,779 --> 01:02:13,670
talking about that one flight 655

1415
01:02:17,319 --> 01:02:16,789
Iranian flight 605 in 1988 was my first

1416
01:02:19,539 --> 01:02:17,329
deployment

1417
01:02:21,279 --> 01:02:19,549
I had nothing to do with I'd was I was

1418
01:02:23,470 --> 01:02:21,289
my first plan real junior I think I was

1419
01:02:24,999 --> 01:02:23,480
a third class petty officer right in my

1420
01:02:28,059 --> 01:02:25,009
watch station just happened to be right

1421
01:02:29,769 --> 01:02:28,069
behind the captain so I was like the

1422
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:29,779
proverbial fly on the wall for the whole

1423
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,210
thing but yeah that's it

1424
01:02:36,339 --> 01:02:34,400
and as a result of that as a result of

1425
01:02:38,229 --> 01:02:36,349
that incident that's when the Navy of

1426
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:38,239
really got serious about recording

1427
01:02:40,829 --> 01:02:39,920
information right so that we could

1428
01:02:43,049 --> 01:02:40,839
figure out what happened

1429
01:02:45,569 --> 01:02:43,059
after the fact and in that case a

1430
01:02:49,979 --> 01:02:45,579
helicopter landed and into and removed

1431
01:02:52,109 --> 01:02:49,989
the everything that it didn't disappear

1432
01:02:57,150 --> 01:02:52,119
right because Congress went through and

1433
01:02:59,249 --> 01:02:57,160
no babies it was removed very quickly

1434
01:03:01,049 --> 01:02:59,259
yeah it was all over there wasn't a

1435
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:01,059
covert operation or anything in fact

1436
01:03:05,009 --> 01:03:02,799
they actually flew out so I called

1437
01:03:06,959 --> 01:03:05,019
yourself to the ship to because you know

1438
01:03:07,950 --> 01:03:06,969
obviously there was a lot quite a few

1439
01:03:09,690 --> 01:03:07,960
people on the ship we're having the

1440
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:09,700
series travel accepting what we had just

1441
01:03:13,529 --> 01:03:11,609
done it was so horrible almost

1442
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:13,539
unimaginable whenever those

1443
01:03:24,509 --> 01:03:20,279
interesting

1444
01:03:26,430 --> 01:03:24,519
well Robert when you were actually you

1445
01:03:30,509 --> 01:03:26,440
know going through the Facebook page how

1446
01:03:32,849 --> 01:03:30,519
many witnesses other than the ones that

1447
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:32,859
we know about did you speak with that

1448
01:03:35,729 --> 01:03:34,569
you know did not want to come for were

1449
01:03:37,799 --> 01:03:35,739
there any that did not want to come

1450
01:03:40,499 --> 01:03:37,809
forward well there was one other

1451
01:03:42,420 --> 01:03:40,509
individual I cooked I interviewed and if

1452
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:42,430
I remember his right name right this is

1453
01:03:44,670 --> 01:03:43,839
off the top of my head I believe it's

1454
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:44,680
Jason Turner

1455
01:03:50,219 --> 01:03:47,710
oh yes Jason yes yeah as I talked to

1456
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:50,229
Jason and there were probably another

1457
01:03:57,390 --> 01:03:54,640
eight people on that Facebook site but

1458
01:04:02,099 --> 01:03:57,400
none of them were willing to discuss it

1459
01:04:04,709 --> 01:04:02,109
so and I've discussed this with over 33

1460
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:04,719
individuals and so I mean you who you

1461
01:04:08,579 --> 01:04:06,249
know that came out that's the only

1462
01:04:11,370 --> 01:04:08,589
people so far right I've gotten a lot of

1463
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:11,380
information from other people but I I

1464
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:13,210
still haven't been able to convince a

1465
01:04:18,539 --> 01:04:15,369
lot of people to come out about it now

1466
01:04:21,809 --> 01:04:18,549
were there any other eyewitnesses that

1467
01:04:24,959 --> 01:04:21,819
you're aware of either one of you Gary

1468
01:04:27,719 --> 01:04:24,969
or Robert I'm aware that most of the

1469
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:27,729
people in the ages suites all of us ages

1470
01:04:34,499 --> 01:04:30,400
text and you know people that were privy

1471
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:34,509
of the more detailed information they I

1472
01:04:37,859 --> 01:04:36,400
knew other people were going up to the

1473
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:37,869
first wing I knew other people or say

1474
01:04:41,069 --> 01:04:39,609
that in combat so I mean there's other

1475
01:04:43,739 --> 01:04:41,079
people that were completely aware of

1476
01:04:45,809 --> 01:04:43,749
this and to some degrees some people are

1477
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,819
excited and they're really interested in

1478
01:04:51,539 --> 01:04:47,440
seeing where this goes and I think if

1479
01:04:53,279 --> 01:04:51,549
this goes into a more positive culture

1480
01:04:54,750 --> 01:04:53,289
that we're gonna get a lot more of these

1481
01:04:57,870 --> 01:04:54,760
people well

1482
01:05:00,120 --> 01:04:57,880
if it turns on us and you know we all

1483
01:05:02,220 --> 01:05:00,130
start looking like idiots and nobody

1484
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:02,230
wants to feel that way so they won't go

1485
01:05:07,290 --> 01:05:04,330
they won't go for it yeah that's a very

1486
01:05:08,850 --> 01:05:07,300
big fear of mine actually is that you

1487
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:08,860
know something will come out like

1488
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:12,430
something is disinformation and you know

1489
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:15,760
the New York Times article was bogus or

1490
01:05:22,190 --> 01:05:18,730
something like that that we look like

1491
01:05:24,570 --> 01:05:22,200
idiots that's just a fear I have that

1492
01:05:26,270 --> 01:05:24,580
something didn't play out right I don't

1493
01:05:29,010 --> 01:05:26,280
think you have to worry about that I

1494
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:29,020
know the good the good news is this this

1495
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:30,010
really did happen

1496
01:05:34,260 --> 01:05:32,410
the details are gonna change as we get

1497
01:05:36,450 --> 01:05:34,270
more people and we get more information

1498
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,460
that's why Nick earlier you said you

1499
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:38,880
know if I might open to any other ideas

1500
01:05:48,450 --> 01:05:43,330
anytime come and discuss it hmm right

1501
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:48,460
right so Robert can you you said you

1502
01:05:55,260 --> 01:05:51,850
started looking into this in 2016 right

1503
01:05:57,060 --> 01:05:55,270
and right and how did you hear about it

1504
01:05:59,760 --> 01:05:57,070
I wasn't hearing anything about this

1505
01:06:04,580 --> 01:05:59,770
back then that I'm aware of or a little

1506
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:04,590
bits and pieces may be a right and a

1507
01:06:12,450 --> 01:06:08,250
unknown source which I can't you know

1508
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:12,460
mention told me about the case and they

1509
01:06:19,350 --> 01:06:15,610
just told me where to go to find the

1510
01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:19,360
marine the remember the report from

1511
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:23,380
Lieutenant Colonel Kurtz that showed up

1512
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:27,910
in a a navy blog so they told me about

1513
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:29,920
that and I went to that site and I read

1514
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:33,450
the Navy boy mm-hmm I read the Navy blog

1515
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:37,810
I knew that I could just tell you after

1516
01:06:41,730 --> 01:06:40,210
you've done hundreds of cases you can

1517
01:06:43,020 --> 01:06:41,740
tell when you've got a real case and

1518
01:06:45,930 --> 01:06:43,030
when you've got one that's not going

1519
01:06:50,190 --> 01:06:45,940
anywhere and I could tell that you know

1520
01:06:52,740 --> 01:06:50,200
this case had legs and so the the next

1521
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:52,750
thing that I started doing was sending

1522
01:07:00,090 --> 01:06:56,490
out for you with quests to the Navy and

1523
01:07:02,490 --> 01:07:00,100
I got constant denials of information

1524
01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:02,500
that they had no information I got that

1525
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:04,900
denial from some Navy organizations that

1526
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:07,930
today you're now saying yes there were

1527
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:10,210
these you AP's right but when I first

1528
01:07:15,530 --> 01:07:12,880
sent that it was now we dumped and so

1529
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:15,540
then I appealed one of my four years and

1530
01:07:20,790 --> 01:07:18,250
when I appeal I always copy my

1531
01:07:23,790 --> 01:07:20,800
congressman and I do a written letter

1532
01:07:26,910 --> 01:07:23,800
rather than electronic and that time I

1533
01:07:29,970 --> 01:07:26,920
got back a response and then the

1534
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:29,980
response was basically the Navy jag

1535
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:33,910
officers asking some officers that had

1536
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:36,610
been on the USS Nimitz at the time and

1537
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:39,130
they said you know anything about this

1538
01:07:44,310 --> 01:07:41,530
and this one lieutenant colonel said oh

1539
01:07:48,510 --> 01:07:44,320
the tic-tacs yeah we know all about the

1540
01:07:50,790 --> 01:07:48,520
tic tacs and he went on in and gave the

1541
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:50,800
names of five or six of their officers

1542
01:07:59,150 --> 01:07:55,690
none of them have come forward who had

1543
01:08:02,850 --> 01:07:59,160
seen the video on board the USS Nimitz

1544
01:08:06,750 --> 01:08:02,860
so I think that video was seen by I

1545
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:06,760
would guess dozens and dozens if not

1546
01:08:11,550 --> 01:08:10,090
hundreds of servicemen I think there's

1547
01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:11,560
about everybody with a secret clearance

1548
01:08:15,630 --> 01:08:13,630
and could get on that land was watching

1549
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:15,640
it well let's talk about the video

1550
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:19,090
wasn't there a video that we have not

1551
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:22,510
seen that was much clearer well the

1552
01:08:28,980 --> 01:08:24,810
original video is much much clearer and

1553
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:28,990
contrary to any popular opinion it was

1554
01:08:33,450 --> 01:08:31,930
much longer than what you see yeah I'm

1555
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:33,460
sure there's a reason why it's limited

1556
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:36,640
the way it is but not come on I

1557
01:08:42,030 --> 01:08:38,890
interviewed Lieutenant Commander slate

1558
01:08:44,790 --> 01:08:42,040
he gave me the best reason I mean it was

1559
01:08:45,420 --> 01:08:44,800
just logical as to why that video was

1560
01:08:48,570 --> 01:08:45,430
longer

1561
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:48,580
he said when we go into a if you go into

1562
01:08:52,590 --> 01:08:50,710
a situation and you don't know what's

1563
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:52,600
going to happen you don't wait until

1564
01:08:57,270 --> 01:08:54,370
you're in the situation to turn on your

1565
01:09:00,300 --> 01:08:57,280
Fleur as he described it it's wheels are

1566
01:09:03,420 --> 01:09:00,310
up the fleurs on and you and that's on

1567
01:09:07,050 --> 01:09:03,430
until you you get back so there's no

1568
01:09:08,970 --> 01:09:07,060
reason why you would wait until you get

1569
01:09:11,610 --> 01:09:08,980
into a situation to turn on the Fleur

1570
01:09:14,250 --> 01:09:11,620
and then there was a meat-and-potatoes

1571
01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:14,260
version of the of it that was emailed to

1572
01:09:22,830 --> 01:09:18,310
officers though it's much shorter what

1573
01:09:29,190 --> 01:09:25,890
me I don't know much like my that that

1574
01:09:31,530 --> 01:09:29,200
exact same grainy video that we all see

1575
01:09:34,410 --> 01:09:31,540
now the tic-tac video I got that in my

1576
01:09:37,460 --> 01:09:34,420
email I think was it must been an N Pig

1577
01:09:40,190 --> 01:09:37,470
video I don't remember at this point the

1578
01:09:42,810 --> 01:09:40,200
that's how I that's how when I saw this

1579
01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:42,820
this New York Times story came out and I

1580
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:44,500
saw that resaw that same video that I

1581
01:09:49,020 --> 01:09:46,570
had seen all the years years ago mm-hmm

1582
01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:49,030
man I I was a I had just opened the

1583
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:50,260
kitchen dot the golf course I was

1584
01:09:53,850 --> 01:09:51,370
carrying out to play the food because we

1585
01:09:55,380 --> 01:09:53,860
didn't have any waiters yet and I

1586
01:09:57,780 --> 01:09:55,390
actually dropped two plate of food man

1587
01:10:00,720 --> 01:09:57,790
cuz I was like in total that was in

1588
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:00,730
total shock I was like oh my god I don't

1589
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:02,080
believe this is happening

1590
01:10:05,460 --> 01:10:04,090
cuz I knew in that moment my life was

1591
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:05,470
gonna change there was no doubt in my

1592
01:10:11,190 --> 01:10:08,170
mind because I I felt an overwhelming

1593
01:10:13,290 --> 01:10:11,200
sense of duty to back back up commander

1594
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:13,300
forever that's not the story because oh

1595
01:10:18,030 --> 01:10:15,130
yeah they're nice this was really

1596
01:10:20,580 --> 01:10:18,040
happening I witnessed it Wow

1597
01:10:24,270 --> 01:10:20,590
Gary I want to go back to your theory

1598
01:10:26,370 --> 01:10:24,280
because Robert Gary has kind of a theory

1599
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:26,380
I want to say kind of a theory has a

1600
01:10:33,290 --> 01:10:29,890
theory that this could be advanced

1601
01:10:36,420 --> 01:10:33,300
technology of reverse-engineered

1602
01:10:39,330 --> 01:10:36,430
possible alien craft something along

1603
01:10:41,970 --> 01:10:39,340
those lines but to Gary just a couple of

1604
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:41,980
questions that had come to mind and this

1605
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:44,560
does not have to do with this particular

1606
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:47,050
tick tack of what people were seeing

1607
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:49,690
this has to do with UFOs in general

1608
01:10:55,740 --> 01:10:52,690
there's some questions here and the

1609
01:10:59,850 --> 01:10:55,750
question that I'm asking you is your

1610
01:11:02,480 --> 01:10:59,860
theory about the the gravity propulsion

1611
01:11:06,900 --> 01:11:02,490
or whatever it is that you termed it

1612
01:11:10,170 --> 01:11:06,910
what about things like when this object

1613
01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:10,180
moved in point seven eight seconds or

1614
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:12,310
whatever it is from 28,000 feet down to

1615
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:15,510
whatever the ocean near the ocean

1616
01:11:22,290 --> 01:11:20,170
surface that quickly Robert mentioned

1617
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:22,300
that it would you know an object would

1618
01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:24,490
burn up there's that question then

1619
01:11:30,690 --> 01:11:26,940
there's also why are there no sound

1620
01:11:32,970 --> 01:11:30,700
barrier you know sound booms whatever

1621
01:11:35,399 --> 01:11:32,980
they used to call those sonic boom sonic

1622
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:35,409
booms sonic booms are a result

1623
01:11:41,129 --> 01:11:38,530
displacement of air right if you're not

1624
01:11:44,490 --> 01:11:41,139
displacing the air and you're in a

1625
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:44,500
bubble of space-time then you're not

1626
01:11:51,979 --> 01:11:48,489
going to a burn up you be cause any type

1627
01:11:55,470 --> 01:11:51,989
of sonic booms whatsoever if if you're

1628
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:55,480
visioning visualizing this would you

1629
01:11:59,879 --> 01:11:57,610
think that the object would have some

1630
01:12:01,800 --> 01:11:59,889
type of an aura or something around it

1631
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:01,810
or do you think it would just look like

1632
01:12:07,470 --> 01:12:05,650
a regular object um I think it probably

1633
01:12:09,300 --> 01:12:07,480
could have ambient lighting that it

1634
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:09,310
turned on and off just like we do in our

1635
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:11,110
own spacecrafts that's not out of the

1636
01:12:14,669 --> 01:12:13,030
realm of possibility because you'd

1637
01:12:16,379 --> 01:12:14,679
remember what we do as a practical thing

1638
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:16,389
like we put lights on earth on our

1639
01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:18,400
planes we put lights on our cars

1640
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:20,409
why wouldn't they put in some type of

1641
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:22,239
lighting system on the aircraft no

1642
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:24,130
that's not really um what I was talking

1643
01:12:28,649 --> 01:12:26,170
about basically I don't know that if

1644
01:12:30,629 --> 01:12:28,659
this had the the capabilities you're

1645
01:12:34,979 --> 01:12:30,639
talking about wouldn't it kind of

1646
01:12:36,030 --> 01:12:34,989
distort the areas around it or would it

1647
01:12:38,939 --> 01:12:36,040
do you think that it would look like

1648
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:38,949
just an object um I think it probably

1649
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:40,330
just looked like an object's I don't

1650
01:12:46,050 --> 01:12:41,770
think you could perceive the distortions

1651
01:12:48,090 --> 01:12:46,060
I see Ron again I've never actually seen

1652
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:48,100
the technology so I really don't know

1653
01:12:53,310 --> 01:12:50,230
yeah Robert what are your thoughts on

1654
01:12:55,470 --> 01:12:53,320
the possibility that it's some type of

1655
01:12:59,490 --> 01:12:55,480
reverse engineer technology or just

1656
01:13:02,660 --> 01:12:59,500
secret technology well it's a just first

1657
01:13:05,370 --> 01:13:02,670
a quick comment when I interviewed

1658
01:13:07,740 --> 01:13:05,380
Lieutenant Commander Slade he did

1659
01:13:12,689 --> 01:13:07,750
mention that when he saw the object that

1660
01:13:14,820 --> 01:13:12,699
there was around it something similar to

1661
01:13:16,340 --> 01:13:14,830
what you see when you see hot pavement

1662
01:13:18,899 --> 01:13:16,350
on a hot summer day hmm

1663
01:13:21,540 --> 01:13:18,909
and he's the only person that mentioned

1664
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:21,550
that but he he he was pretty confident

1665
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:25,330
that they were like heat waves around

1666
01:13:32,010 --> 01:13:27,130
the object

1667
01:13:33,810 --> 01:13:32,020
I guess reverse engineering my

1668
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:33,820
background is in a semiconductor field

1669
01:13:38,490 --> 01:13:37,120
and we actually did reverse engineering

1670
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:38,500
I worked at a company called Advanced

1671
01:13:44,129 --> 01:13:41,290
Micro Devices we reverse engineered

1672
01:13:47,310 --> 01:13:44,139
Intel chips sometimes and I'm sure they

1673
01:13:49,180 --> 01:13:47,320
reverse engineered ours it takes quite a

1674
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:49,190
while to reverse in

1675
01:13:56,380 --> 01:13:53,410
near something that you even know about

1676
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:56,390
if you took a computer chip today and

1677
01:14:02,439 --> 01:13:58,880
gave it to the best scientists of the

1678
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:02,449
year 1850 it would be impossible for

1679
01:14:06,910 --> 01:14:04,730
them to reverse-engineer it because they

1680
01:14:10,890 --> 01:14:06,920
didn't need an electron microscope to

1681
01:14:13,330 --> 01:14:10,900
see the nanometer sized metal lines and

1682
01:14:17,380 --> 01:14:13,340
the electron microscope had not even

1683
01:14:19,780 --> 01:14:17,390
been invented and of course there would

1684
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:19,790
be no internet for them to see how the

1685
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:23,360
chip interacts with anything so there's

1686
01:14:30,850 --> 01:14:26,330
and anything they did to the chip would

1687
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:30,860
probably destroy it so their chances of

1688
01:14:37,630 --> 01:14:33,770
reverse engineering it would be very

1689
01:14:39,340 --> 01:14:37,640
very low now of course today we're much

1690
01:14:44,110 --> 01:14:39,350
more modern society or at least that's

1691
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,120
what we think we are well whether or not

1692
01:14:48,729 --> 01:14:46,400
you know we could reverse engineer

1693
01:14:50,500 --> 01:14:48,739
something that was 100 year you know

1694
01:14:56,590 --> 01:14:50,510
hundreds of years more advanced than us

1695
01:14:58,900 --> 01:14:56,600
I I would have my you know it I think it

1696
01:15:00,850 --> 01:14:58,910
would be extremely difficult yeah I

1697
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:00,860
would have my doubts on it and it all

1698
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:03,290
depends on how long we've had it and you

1699
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:05,890
know exactly to what extent that we

1700
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:08,239
understood how any of it worked and I

1701
01:15:12,910 --> 01:15:10,370
mean we could even be utilizing parts

1702
01:15:16,780 --> 01:15:12,920
off of their crafts even though we don't

1703
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:16,790
know how they actually work yeah the

1704
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:19,520
best yeah that we might be able to do I

1705
01:15:24,340 --> 01:15:21,650
mean this is all I'm not saying that

1706
01:15:28,180 --> 01:15:24,350
this is a you know that we have any

1707
01:15:30,340 --> 01:15:28,190
alien craft right I'm not saying that at

1708
01:15:32,140 --> 01:15:30,350
all so I don't want any of your

1709
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:32,150
listeners to think I'm now of course

1710
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:34,370
this this whole line of theory is all

1711
01:15:39,250 --> 01:15:36,050
based off the fact that we would have

1712
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:39,260
recovered a craft during Roswell right

1713
01:15:44,860 --> 01:15:42,290
now and that's just this ditch it's a

1714
01:15:47,380 --> 01:15:44,870
it's a thought experiment I did from

1715
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:47,390
that point on and how this would play

1716
01:15:52,530 --> 01:15:49,370
out and how this would make sense but

1717
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:52,540
I've got you know 13 other ones too so

1718
01:15:56,020 --> 01:15:54,320
you know if you just take that

1719
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:56,030
assumption and that's a big assumption

1720
01:16:00,220 --> 01:15:58,010
you just say okay I'm gonna set that

1721
01:16:02,850 --> 01:16:00,230
aside and believe it for a moment well

1722
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:02,860
what we might be able to reverse in

1723
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:05,440
engineer might be okay what is the

1724
01:16:11,010 --> 01:16:08,560
material that it's made out of and then

1725
01:16:13,050 --> 01:16:11,020
then we would just be going oh okay this

1726
01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:13,060
is interesting what can we do with this

1727
01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:15,369
material and then we would be coming up

1728
01:16:20,700 --> 01:16:18,100
with our own ideas we probably wouldn't

1729
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:20,710
know exactly what they were using the

1730
01:16:24,359 --> 01:16:22,570
material for well it could have

1731
01:16:29,310 --> 01:16:24,369
definitely inspired things like graphene

1732
01:16:31,530 --> 01:16:29,320
which is a big tech now yeah there's

1733
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:31,540
there's theories I've heard you know

1734
01:16:38,370 --> 01:16:33,610
fiber optics and things like that that

1735
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:38,380
you know a possibility of but I mean who

1736
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:40,449
knows well I mean you just look at look

1737
01:16:43,410 --> 01:16:41,770
at all the technologies you can just

1738
01:16:45,390 --> 01:16:43,420
look at and say you know why would they

1739
01:16:47,399 --> 01:16:45,400
do that and then like later on saying oh

1740
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:47,409
well well go back to that other thing we

1741
01:16:50,669 --> 01:16:48,610
were looking at you know ten years ago

1742
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:50,679
this is why they did it you know and

1743
01:16:57,180 --> 01:16:54,610
then BAM you got something new but but I

1744
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:57,190
can I know I've read sometimes people

1745
01:17:00,479 --> 01:16:58,480
thought that that's where our micro

1746
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:00,489
processors came from but I was in that

1747
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:02,320
field so I I can tell you that like in

1748
01:17:09,540 --> 01:17:06,159
that particular incident started off

1749
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:09,550
with like 10 micron size transistors you

1750
01:17:13,229 --> 01:17:11,290
know back in the 70s and then we would

1751
01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:13,239
shrink them we get down to 9 and we've

1752
01:17:16,890 --> 01:17:14,830
worked real hard when we get down to 8

1753
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:16,900
and we just kept going down of course

1754
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:21,040
now we're in sub micron size transistors

1755
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:25,449
but none of that was that was all just

1756
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:29,400
hard work over many many years hmm

1757
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:30,850
interesting

1758
01:17:37,950 --> 01:17:34,960
well I know we're which I think you made

1759
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:37,960
a really good analogy Robert it would be

1760
01:17:44,910 --> 01:17:42,489
like what a handing a caveman you know

1761
01:17:47,459 --> 01:17:44,920
something of 19th century technology or

1762
01:17:50,850 --> 01:17:47,469
handing a cell phone to someone back in

1763
01:17:55,919 --> 01:17:50,860
1920 you know try to reverse-engineer

1764
01:17:58,910 --> 01:17:55,929
that you know oh yeah actually I said

1765
01:18:02,459 --> 01:17:58,920
1850 because in 1920 they had the

1766
01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:02,469
electron microscope and they might have

1767
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:04,150
been able to make some progress back to

1768
01:18:13,229 --> 01:18:10,210
1920 1850 probably not yeah well it's

1769
01:18:16,620 --> 01:18:13,239
all speculation and right just again the

1770
01:18:21,630 --> 01:18:16,630
mental game yeah and

1771
01:18:23,010 --> 01:18:21,640
I know you know you hear on TV on news

1772
01:18:25,260 --> 01:18:23,020
service and stuff like that when they're

1773
01:18:27,980 --> 01:18:25,270
interviewing someone like David flavor

1774
01:18:30,510 --> 01:18:27,990
or Lu Elizondo or someone like that

1775
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:30,520
they're trying to push him to say alien

1776
01:18:36,690 --> 01:18:34,810
you know but you know you did hear David

1777
01:18:41,010 --> 01:18:36,700
flavor say I think it was something not

1778
01:18:43,530 --> 01:18:41,020
of this world you know and I I think

1779
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:43,540
even if he's wrong he's right because uh

1780
01:18:48,750 --> 01:18:46,330
you know we don't know of something like

1781
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:48,760
that that could be reproduced in this

1782
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:51,970
world right for me the accelerations

1783
01:18:58,260 --> 01:18:55,600
exhibited were just too high to be

1784
01:18:59,670 --> 01:18:58,270
explained with anything we could do

1785
01:19:04,320 --> 01:18:59,680
I mean if we have those types of

1786
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:04,330
capabilities we would be on Mars and you

1787
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:10,170
know a week not six to seven months and

1788
01:19:18,180 --> 01:19:13,890
when one note on these high

1789
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:18,190
accelerations and gravity really doesn't

1790
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:20,890
matter if you're gonna grab it well let

1791
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:24,130
me backtrack that not being in a

1792
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:26,110
gravitational field does not allow you

1793
01:19:30,540 --> 01:19:28,690
to have high accelerations right because

1794
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:30,550
when we put a rocket in space and

1795
01:19:36,570 --> 01:19:33,010
there's no gravity around it you can't

1796
01:19:39,150 --> 01:19:36,580
have extreme accelerations but what a

1797
01:19:41,390 --> 01:19:39,160
lot what would be required to have

1798
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:41,400
extreme accelerations like that and

1799
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:45,010
would be for your inertial mass to

1800
01:19:52,140 --> 01:19:47,920
approach zero in other words if I could

1801
01:19:56,130 --> 01:19:52,150
take an f-18 and I could magically drive

1802
01:19:58,230 --> 01:19:56,140
its mass to zero or close to zero then I

1803
01:20:00,000 --> 01:19:58,240
could accelerate it with a few photons

1804
01:20:03,770 --> 01:20:00,010
of light which are moving at speed of

1805
01:20:09,570 --> 01:20:03,780
light and it would push that object it

1806
01:20:11,340 --> 01:20:09,580
extremes be very rapidly but it takes

1807
01:20:16,230 --> 01:20:11,350
more than just not being in a

1808
01:20:19,580 --> 01:20:16,240
gravitational field to do it well this

1809
01:20:22,620 --> 01:20:19,590
is kind of beyond my level of thinking

1810
01:20:25,020 --> 01:20:22,630
yeah and that's actually why I move that

1811
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:25,030
very reason so I have moved more towards

1812
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:28,050
some of the newer thought processes on

1813
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:30,050
quantum entanglement

1814
01:20:33,310 --> 01:20:31,490
some of the ways that they're thinking

1815
01:20:35,530 --> 01:20:33,320
that we could probably use it to move

1816
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:35,540
especially over great distances and

1817
01:20:44,020 --> 01:20:39,890
small distances yeah basically

1818
01:20:45,970 --> 01:20:44,030
quantum entanglement means it's a part

1819
01:20:49,540 --> 01:20:45,980
of it that that hide would act

1820
01:20:50,890 --> 01:20:49,550
yeah react no matter where it is right I

1821
01:20:51,970 --> 01:20:50,900
mean can you just give that in a

1822
01:20:55,950 --> 01:20:51,980
nutshell how that works

1823
01:20:59,200 --> 01:20:55,960
Oh Gary just the basic theory is that

1824
01:21:02,170 --> 01:20:59,210
you know there's sets of particles that

1825
01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:02,180
are disconnected over you know short

1826
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:04,190
distances vast distances and basically

1827
01:21:10,750 --> 01:21:08,480
that they are connected in some way

1828
01:21:13,330 --> 01:21:10,760
the details of it just look at this

1829
01:21:15,550 --> 01:21:13,340
Google quantum entanglement and but uh

1830
01:21:18,460 --> 01:21:15,560
you know the theory is that he could use

1831
01:21:21,420 --> 01:21:18,470
it to open up a bridge from one point to

1832
01:21:24,010 --> 01:21:21,430
another yeah I've thought of

1833
01:21:26,020 --> 01:21:24,020
communication you know you think of just

1834
01:21:29,070 --> 01:21:26,030
the delay it will be like for instance

1835
01:21:30,190 --> 01:21:29,080
if we were on Mars and we were you know

1836
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:30,200
telecommunicator

1837
01:21:36,250 --> 01:21:33,440
to Mars you know it takes I don't know

1838
01:21:38,380 --> 01:21:36,260
how many minutes it would take but you

1839
01:21:40,860 --> 01:21:38,390
know something like quantum entanglement

1840
01:21:42,940 --> 01:21:40,870
for communication even would be

1841
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:42,950
instantaneous if they ever can figure

1842
01:21:49,510 --> 01:21:44,930
out how to do something like that right

1843
01:21:51,820 --> 01:21:49,520
yeah if you had you use quantum

1844
01:21:54,190 --> 01:21:51,830
entanglement to communicate it would be

1845
01:21:57,340 --> 01:21:54,200
instantaneous no matter where you were I

1846
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:57,350
mean in a nutshell what they do is let's

1847
01:22:01,720 --> 01:21:59,120
just say you take a photon of light

1848
01:22:05,230 --> 01:22:01,730
right let's say it was a given

1849
01:22:07,300 --> 01:22:05,240
wavelength of a thousand angstroms you

1850
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:07,310
run it through a crystal that splits

1851
01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:10,400
that into two photons each or now let's

1852
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:13,490
say 2000 angstroms in length so there

1853
01:22:17,860 --> 01:22:14,960
are different wavelengths but they came

1854
01:22:20,530 --> 01:22:17,870
from the same Photon now you send that

1855
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:20,540
one photon off somewhere and you keep

1856
01:22:25,180 --> 01:22:22,370
the other photon let's say somehow

1857
01:22:27,670 --> 01:22:25,190
bouncing around in a jar the first

1858
01:22:30,340 --> 01:22:27,680
photon hits a piece of black paper and

1859
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:30,350
gets absorbed mm-hmm the photon in your

1860
01:22:36,130 --> 01:22:32,770
jar disappears because he was just sort

1861
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:36,140
well that's basically what happens and

1862
01:22:42,370 --> 01:22:39,130
everything that's been been done today

1863
01:22:44,169 --> 01:22:42,380
involves light maybe a dozen photons or

1864
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:44,179
less

1865
01:22:49,959 --> 01:22:47,199
no one that I'm aware of has done any

1866
01:22:53,410 --> 01:22:49,969
large-scale quantum entanglement but

1867
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:53,420
theoretically you know to here yeah

1868
01:22:59,620 --> 01:22:56,960
nobody here has done that I have a quick

1869
01:23:02,020 --> 01:22:59,630
question about that that the behavior of

1870
01:23:04,359 --> 01:23:02,030
the dangling with the photons let's say

1871
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:04,369
as another example what if the remote so

1872
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:07,610
time was actually split split again he

1873
01:23:13,419 --> 01:23:09,199
created two new photons from that one

1874
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:13,429
will local full-time split - that's a

1875
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:15,530
good question Kevin I mean I'm a chemist

1876
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:18,560
not a physicist but I might ask Kevin

1877
01:23:26,859 --> 01:23:22,130
Knuth that question you guys deep that

1878
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:26,869
question yeah what what you know if Yuri

1879
01:23:33,729 --> 01:23:30,050
split it again will your other photons

1880
01:23:35,820 --> 01:23:33,739
split you could I mean if that's the

1881
01:23:39,609 --> 01:23:35,830
case you could you can create a

1882
01:23:41,229 --> 01:23:39,619
basically a telegraph and because the

1883
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:41,239
community the actual information could

1884
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:44,560
be encoded in the timing of the splits

1885
01:23:48,250 --> 01:23:46,639
where you're not actually transferring

1886
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:48,260
information you're just you just

1887
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:50,090
observing it locally okay it split again

1888
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:52,489
yeah you can only do that probably so

1889
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:54,050
many times because you're you're

1890
01:23:59,470 --> 01:23:56,690
basically there's still so many so much

1891
01:24:00,970 --> 01:23:59,480
energy so I mean eventually you will I

1892
01:24:03,220 --> 01:24:00,980
mean it just continues to convert it to

1893
01:24:07,390 --> 01:24:03,230
something else but it will eventually

1894
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:07,400
deplete you guys lost me back at I don't

1895
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:13,010
even know we have a people working on

1896
01:24:17,919 --> 01:24:15,770
the phone system right now there's some

1897
01:24:19,839 --> 01:24:17,929
type of issue going on with it there's

1898
01:24:22,089 --> 01:24:19,849
an engineer working at the radio station

1899
01:24:24,430 --> 01:24:22,099
trying to figure out what that is so

1900
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:24,440
we're not taking calls as of right now

1901
01:24:31,020 --> 01:24:27,170
but if we if they get that repaired over

1902
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:31,030
there then we'll take calls later on

1903
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:35,090
Robert since you're like the person

1904
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:38,480
who's like in ufology I would say on

1905
01:24:46,330 --> 01:24:41,570
this you have looked at this a long long

1906
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:46,340
time I I have my thoughts are is that

1907
01:24:55,899 --> 01:24:50,530
this case the Nimitz case in particular

1908
01:24:57,069 --> 01:24:55,909
to me has grown has risen up to of the

1909
01:24:59,139 --> 01:24:57,079
level of

1910
01:25:00,759 --> 01:24:59,149
one of the top UFO sightings that I'm

1911
01:25:03,429 --> 01:25:00,769
aware of what are you what are your

1912
01:25:05,799 --> 01:25:03,439
thoughts on that no III agree with you

1913
01:25:10,540 --> 01:25:05,809
because of the quality and the number of

1914
01:25:15,369 --> 01:25:10,550
witnesses I think it's one of the best

1915
01:25:17,829 --> 01:25:15,379
cases that has ever come along and you

1916
01:25:19,449 --> 01:25:17,839
have to realize there's a lot more data

1917
01:25:22,259 --> 01:25:19,459
that we don't even have right

1918
01:25:26,909 --> 01:25:22,269
yeah the Navy has all that radar data

1919
01:25:31,719 --> 01:25:26,919
not only on the 2004 case the 2015 case

1920
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:31,729
so right you've got a lot of good

1921
01:25:39,489 --> 01:25:34,249
detailed information that can be gone

1922
01:25:41,379 --> 01:25:39,499
through and I would hope and assume that

1923
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:41,389
they've had someone go through that data

1924
01:25:46,839 --> 01:25:44,719
I would think so I mean you know unless

1925
01:25:48,969 --> 01:25:46,849
you know like Gary was saying earlier

1926
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:48,979
that it's you know our our own

1927
01:25:53,859 --> 01:25:51,530
technology one thing I do think is very

1928
01:25:56,799 --> 01:25:53,869
curious that he mentioned is that you

1929
01:25:58,329 --> 01:25:56,809
know the upper level officers kind of

1930
01:26:01,060 --> 01:25:58,339
like said oh yeah you know that type of

1931
01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:01,070
thing did like it was no big deal I mean

1932
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:04,070
to me that's very puzzling they'll see

1933
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:05,449
the things that kind of bothered me

1934
01:26:09,489 --> 01:26:07,369
about the whole event like because after

1935
01:26:11,379 --> 01:26:09,499
mr. Powell came out and he was talking

1936
01:26:13,209 --> 01:26:11,389
with us about it of course it brings a

1937
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:13,219
lot of back up and it just kind of

1938
01:26:18,639 --> 01:26:15,489
rekindled this whole thing for me so I

1939
01:26:21,250 --> 01:26:18,649
mean I just been thinking about how

1940
01:26:24,069 --> 01:26:21,260
everything could have worked out you

1941
01:26:25,929 --> 01:26:24,079
know the feel of the time I still don't

1942
01:26:27,790 --> 01:26:25,939
understand why it took him so long to

1943
01:26:30,699 --> 01:26:27,800
intercept and why it ended up taking a

1944
01:26:32,319 --> 01:26:30,709
senior chief to say hey this is a good

1945
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:32,329
idea for them to actually do it because

1946
01:26:35,709 --> 01:26:34,159
if he had never said anything who knows

1947
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:35,719
if we would have done an intercept on

1948
01:26:41,259 --> 01:26:39,199
him you know so I mean it's to me it

1949
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:41,269
just feels weird that we would have not

1950
01:26:45,959 --> 01:26:44,810
done anything about it and for so long

1951
01:26:50,799 --> 01:26:45,969
[Music]

1952
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:50,809
and also another thing Gary why would

1953
01:26:59,560 --> 01:26:56,239
the Navy be okay with the conversation

1954
01:27:02,290 --> 01:26:59,570
if this was technology that is not

1955
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:02,300
supposed to be out there well I mean

1956
01:27:06,189 --> 01:27:04,159
like I said you know they're I mean

1957
01:27:07,929 --> 01:27:06,199
they're not fools I mean the people in

1958
01:27:10,990 --> 01:27:07,939
the government is as foolish as they can

1959
01:27:14,230 --> 01:27:11,000
be in a group the individuals that

1960
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:14,240
cells are you know smarter than all of

1961
01:27:17,770 --> 01:27:16,130
us combined I mean they got to be smart

1962
01:27:19,810 --> 01:27:17,780
enough to realize they just can't keep

1963
01:27:21,370 --> 01:27:19,820
it under wraps forever I mean with

1964
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:21,380
everybody literally like I said with a

1965
01:27:27,850 --> 01:27:25,370
4k camera video everything in there damn

1966
01:27:29,410 --> 01:27:27,860
pockets walking around eventually

1967
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:29,420
somebody's gonna get information that

1968
01:27:36,370 --> 01:27:33,410
can't be refuted and I mean so they just

1969
01:27:38,830 --> 01:27:36,380
can't keep it under wraps forever Gary

1970
01:27:40,630 --> 01:27:38,840
did you actually know you handled like

1971
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:40,640
the radar data stuff like that but did

1972
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:44,170
you actually handle the videos as well

1973
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:46,130
anything that would have been recorded

1974
01:27:49,150 --> 01:27:47,030
on it

1975
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:49,160
I think videos would have probably been

1976
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:51,890
on the computer systems which would have

1977
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:56,000
been recorded on my data any of the data

1978
01:28:00,400 --> 01:27:58,400
from CC would be plot point data and

1979
01:28:03,670 --> 01:28:00,410
would be more statistical data and

1980
01:28:07,570 --> 01:28:03,680
numbers so unless you had a program to

1981
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:07,580
translate that into a picture I mean it

1982
01:28:11,950 --> 01:28:09,290
was technically a 3d picture of

1983
01:28:13,300 --> 01:28:11,960
everything that went on but it wasn't

1984
01:28:14,890 --> 01:28:13,310
like you know in you know fattest

1985
01:28:16,930 --> 01:28:14,900
caracal act ago where you can just look

1986
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:16,940
at this monitor and see a 3d picture of

1987
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:19,280
the battlefield it was just all

1988
01:28:24,850 --> 01:28:22,490
statistical data in a computer system

1989
01:28:28,300 --> 01:28:24,860
and then that puts tracks on our screens

1990
01:28:30,730 --> 01:28:28,310
and let's just know what's going on now

1991
01:28:32,860 --> 01:28:30,740
were you actually involved when the

1992
01:28:35,410 --> 01:28:32,870
helicopter landed and they confiscated

1993
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:35,420
the data were you involved in that I

1994
01:28:39,370 --> 01:28:37,040
mean did you see that happen personally

1995
01:28:41,530 --> 01:28:39,380
I wasn't I was in the hangar with the

1996
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:41,540
crashing smash people I was in crisis

1997
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:44,000
mesh I was hanging out with them and

1998
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:45,890
that's where I hung out anytime it's

1999
01:28:51,070 --> 01:28:47,930
like flights came in because it was

2000
01:28:54,190 --> 01:28:51,080
easier then beeing where I wanted to be

2001
01:28:57,370 --> 01:28:54,200
but uh and you know I saw the hook after

2002
01:28:59,230 --> 01:28:57,380
land it's all people get off line club

2003
01:29:01,000 --> 01:28:59,240
people and there was no airforce

2004
01:29:02,650 --> 01:29:01,010
insignias or anything like that they

2005
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:02,660
didn't look any particular way no men in

2006
01:29:07,570 --> 01:29:06,050
black I'll go I'll go with I go with him

2007
01:29:08,260 --> 01:29:07,580
that it was not a men in black but I

2008
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:08,270
don't

2009
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:10,370
it was a they're the winners they

2010
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:12,080
dressed is nondescript enough where I

2011
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:13,370
really don't particularly remember

2012
01:29:18,820 --> 01:29:16,400
exactly how they were dressed right so a

2013
01:29:20,650 --> 01:29:18,830
lot of years ago yeah so I mean I just

2014
01:29:23,470 --> 01:29:20,660
remember they got off the helicopter and

2015
01:29:24,700 --> 01:29:23,480
less than 20 minutes later I'm asked to

2016
01:29:27,820 --> 01:29:24,710
report and grab

2017
01:29:30,850 --> 01:29:27,830
my tapes and any tapes that aren't used

2018
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:30,860
even the blank tapes that we had had to

2019
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:34,400
be erased because when we do the erasing

2020
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:36,410
it leaves a timestamp so that they know

2021
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:38,570
for certain that it was a race and there

2022
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:40,010
was never any data on them

2023
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:43,010
Wow did you think that was really

2024
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:45,650
bizarre at the time

2025
01:29:50,530 --> 01:29:49,010
no I'm smart enough to know that you

2026
01:29:55,390 --> 01:29:50,540
know I mean if I was the government this

2027
01:29:58,660 --> 01:29:55,400
is what I would do Wow

2028
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:58,670
Robert when you were in Kevin I want to

2029
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:00,560
get you back on in a minute here because

2030
01:30:05,290 --> 01:30:02,210
I want to talk to you about your your

2031
01:30:08,430 --> 01:30:05,300
book and all that but Robert when you

2032
01:30:12,340 --> 01:30:08,440
were researching this how did everything

2033
01:30:15,900 --> 01:30:12,350
unfold you know you know I mean what

2034
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:15,910
type of information did you find out

2035
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:19,250
like you were the you know that you were

2036
01:30:25,150 --> 01:30:21,290
able to and this was with a group to

2037
01:30:28,410 --> 01:30:25,160
write yes yes there were other

2038
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:28,420
individuals for example in order to

2039
01:30:35,530 --> 01:30:32,090
interview lieutenant commander slate we

2040
01:30:39,970 --> 01:30:35,540
have a a former Navy captain who's in a

2041
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:39,980
SCU SCU being the scientific Coalition

2042
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:42,560
for UAP studies the group that I'm in

2043
01:30:49,660 --> 01:30:47,330
right so I we used the Navy captain to

2044
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:49,670
first approach lieutenant commander

2045
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:52,010
slate so he interviewed him first and it

2046
01:30:55,450 --> 01:30:53,570
just works better that way right one

2047
01:30:57,340 --> 01:30:55,460
Navy guy talking to another Navy guy

2048
01:31:02,470 --> 01:30:57,350
where he he probably wouldn't have

2049
01:31:05,290 --> 01:31:02,480
talked to me because is probably Kevin

2050
01:31:07,380 --> 01:31:05,300
and a Gary can tell you air for the

2051
01:31:11,050 --> 01:31:07,390
pilots are a little bit different breed

2052
01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:11,060
yes yes they are yeah and when I knew

2053
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:13,280
one and yeah I had kind of a kind of an

2054
01:31:18,550 --> 01:31:16,250
ego issue what's currently well you know

2055
01:31:21,490 --> 01:31:18,560
I mean I don't I'm not you can't you

2056
01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:21,500
shouldn't characterize a whole group

2057
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:23,120
right but if you've seen the movie Top

2058
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:26,410
Gun that's not too far off well I mean I

2059
01:31:30,250 --> 01:31:28,730
mean they're feeding these guys he goes

2060
01:31:33,970 --> 01:31:30,260
all the way along because I mean not

2061
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:33,980
many people can fly it yet in and these

2062
01:31:38,830 --> 01:31:35,930
guys are sharp I mean they are under

2063
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:38,840
course they have oh yeah

2064
01:31:53,140 --> 01:31:44,210
both he and fragran of fact and they're

2065
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:53,150
very good witnesses but but what's the

2066
01:31:58,870 --> 01:31:56,449
gentleman in our group talked to

2067
01:32:01,120 --> 01:31:58,880
commander slight then you know he told

2068
01:32:02,709 --> 01:32:01,130
him would you talk to Robert blah blah

2069
01:32:07,419 --> 01:32:02,719
blah and so then when I called him it

2070
01:32:09,819 --> 01:32:07,429
was fine however we only had the

2071
01:32:11,879 --> 01:32:09,829
captain's interview with Lieutenant

2072
01:32:16,270 --> 01:32:11,889
Commander slate and my interview because

2073
01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:16,280
after that I think commedia the way the

2074
01:32:22,540 --> 01:32:20,719
media handles the entire issue is so you

2075
01:32:25,569 --> 01:32:22,550
know how bad it is Martin in jail so bad

2076
01:32:28,810 --> 01:32:25,579
that he would not talk anymore to anyone

2077
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:28,820
yeah they want to reduce everything to a

2078
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:31,610
soundbite or if they can't they can't

2079
01:32:36,009 --> 01:32:34,010
monopolize on it or they can't scare

2080
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:36,019
somebody with it they just don't want to

2081
01:32:41,379 --> 01:32:38,449
get with it it's yeah the camp a little

2082
01:32:44,500 --> 01:32:41,389
green of gray aliens next to you yeah

2083
01:32:47,649 --> 01:32:44,510
it's not exciting well I've seen I've

2084
01:32:51,609 --> 01:32:47,659
I've noticed a change Robert you know

2085
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:51,619
since that article came out you know in

2086
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:53,170
the New York Times since to that late

2087
01:33:00,939 --> 01:32:57,650
2017 I've noticed a change on you know

2088
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:00,949
the news media of you know this being

2089
01:33:06,669 --> 01:33:03,920
taken more seriously and and not being

2090
01:33:08,770 --> 01:33:06,679
made fun of it seems like there's a lot

2091
01:33:12,220 --> 01:33:08,780
of people in the mainstream media that

2092
01:33:15,729 --> 01:33:12,230
actually are are interested in our doing

2093
01:33:18,819 --> 01:33:15,739
a pretty good reporting these days yes I

2094
01:33:20,649 --> 01:33:18,829
will agree he that has improved some but

2095
01:33:24,549 --> 01:33:20,659
the question will be will let be a

2096
01:33:27,339 --> 01:33:24,559
lasting improvement right and I actually

2097
01:33:31,180 --> 01:33:27,349
think that probably probably depends on

2098
01:33:33,129 --> 01:33:31,190
the Navy and how they go forth with it

2099
01:33:35,850 --> 01:33:33,139
because if you'll notice the Air Force's

2100
01:33:39,069 --> 01:33:35,860
continued with their normal stance

2101
01:33:40,870 --> 01:33:39,079
mm-hmm when large media organizations

2102
01:33:43,049 --> 01:33:40,880
asked the Air Force for their comment it

2103
01:33:45,399 --> 01:33:43,059
was no comment we don't deal with

2104
01:33:49,870 --> 01:33:45,409
dealing with it's always been hard to

2105
01:33:52,420 --> 01:33:49,880
get the chair for us to get up I wonder

2106
01:33:53,470 --> 01:33:52,430
why you know I mean the Navy is

2107
01:33:56,470 --> 01:33:53,480
you would just think that they would

2108
01:33:58,510 --> 01:33:56,480
kind of fall in line well you know

2109
01:34:00,610 --> 01:33:58,520
that's the interesting part and I don't

2110
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:00,620
you know I'm not sure what's going on

2111
01:34:05,020 --> 01:34:02,930
here because the Navy has always been

2112
01:34:07,900 --> 01:34:05,030
very difficult to get information out

2113
01:34:10,150 --> 01:34:07,910
from them when you go back in

2114
01:34:15,070 --> 01:34:10,160
historically I'm talking about you know

2115
01:34:18,460 --> 01:34:15,080
historically and for them to kind of

2116
01:34:21,670 --> 01:34:18,470
suddenly change their tune makes me and

2117
01:34:24,100 --> 01:34:21,680
I don't think it's like a PR you know a

2118
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:24,110
public affairs officer who misspoke

2119
01:34:30,480 --> 01:34:27,050
because he's he spoken this way several

2120
01:34:34,570 --> 01:34:30,490
times and he hasn't been corrected so

2121
01:34:39,310 --> 01:34:34,580
this appears to be intentional and the

2122
01:34:42,670 --> 01:34:39,320
only you know my only theory on it is

2123
01:34:45,070 --> 01:34:42,680
that maybe they they want a bigger slice

2124
01:34:47,140 --> 01:34:45,080
of the defense budget and they're going

2125
01:34:49,750 --> 01:34:47,150
to use this as an argument as to why

2126
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:49,760
they they need a little bit a bigger

2127
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:53,690
part of the slice of the pie so anything

2128
01:34:59,800 --> 01:34:56,410
I can think of hmm Wow

2129
01:35:02,890 --> 01:34:59,810
interesting the phone is not working as

2130
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:02,900
I mentioned and I do have a way to take

2131
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:07,520
calls on skype but I'm just afraid I got

2132
01:35:12,130 --> 01:35:09,530
a question go ahead I got a question for

2133
01:35:14,260 --> 01:35:12,140
Robert yeah and the question comes from

2134
01:35:18,580 --> 01:35:14,270
a superduper guy by the name of Dave

2135
01:35:21,010 --> 01:35:18,590
Altman oh yes it's about contacting the

2136
01:35:22,150 --> 01:35:21,020
desert coming up in May Robert and we

2137
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:22,160
were wondering if you would consider

2138
01:35:30,460 --> 01:35:29,090
going there about how do we talk about

2139
01:35:35,650 --> 01:35:30,470
it talking to him when we're not

2140
01:35:38,530 --> 01:35:35,660
blessing them on air don't you guys

2141
01:35:40,710 --> 01:35:38,540
understand that's all Dave Altman's I

2142
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:40,720
did it as a favor for Davey yeah yeah

2143
01:35:50,500 --> 01:35:43,970
ask him on the air so they wanted he

2144
01:35:53,770 --> 01:35:50,510
wanted yeah yeah

2145
01:35:56,770 --> 01:35:53,780
so Kevin since you since you just piped

2146
01:35:59,200 --> 01:35:56,780
up and again we can't take calls but I'm

2147
01:36:01,180 --> 01:35:59,210
gonna try to look into the chat room to

2148
01:36:02,770 --> 01:36:01,190
see if there's a you know some questions

2149
01:36:04,330 --> 01:36:02,780
that come up in there that okay while

2150
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:04,340
you're doing that I'll talk a little bit

2151
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:05,840
about my book yeah you've already had

2152
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:09,110
yeah yeah when I retired in 2008 this

2153
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:11,090
whole thing really gravely actually

2154
01:36:14,590 --> 01:36:13,040
gravely concerned me I actually started

2155
01:36:16,660 --> 01:36:14,600
having nightmares over it because I was

2156
01:36:18,580 --> 01:36:16,670
I was concerned for safety of flight

2157
01:36:20,890 --> 01:36:18,590
number one and I was also second you

2158
01:36:23,620 --> 01:36:20,900
know what if the same same damn thing

2159
01:36:25,060 --> 01:36:23,630
happened overseas when I really did have

2160
01:36:28,150 --> 01:36:25,070
muscles and they're really worse

2161
01:36:31,390 --> 01:36:28,160
hostilities it you know just a simple

2162
01:36:32,970 --> 01:36:31,400
overreaction could create World War 3 I

2163
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:32,980
mean something really bad could happen

2164
01:36:38,290 --> 01:36:35,450
but I tried to tell people I tried to

2165
01:36:40,330 --> 01:36:38,300
talk to people and you know back then no

2166
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:40,340
one really believed you I guess even my

2167
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:41,840
own family kind of like looked at me

2168
01:36:46,570 --> 01:36:44,210
weird so what I did is I wrote a short

2169
01:36:48,100 --> 01:36:46,580
story it's called the seer and it's a

2170
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:48,110
fictionalized account of what happened

2171
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:50,570
that day on the Nimitz right and on the

2172
01:36:54,970 --> 01:36:53,810
Princeton and I wrote a couple other

2173
01:36:56,710 --> 01:36:54,980
short stories to go with it and I

2174
01:37:00,580 --> 01:36:56,720
actually published it in the Library of

2175
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:00,590
Congress just in case this story ever

2176
01:37:05,230 --> 01:37:03,170
became public that my book who provides

2177
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:05,240
some sort of contemporary nough seven

2178
01:37:10,300 --> 01:37:08,480
Sulli did in fact happened and that's

2179
01:37:14,110 --> 01:37:10,310
exactly what happened when my book is

2180
01:37:15,310 --> 01:37:14,120
now considered evidence a gentleman an

2181
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:15,320
avid super duper guy by the name of

2182
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:19,850
Alejandro Rojas on his own dime found my

2183
01:37:23,860 --> 01:37:22,130
book and he published it in that book

2184
01:37:25,630 --> 01:37:23,870
that I'd never had any intention of ever

2185
01:37:28,180 --> 01:37:25,640
selling or doing anything other than

2186
01:37:30,940 --> 01:37:28,190
just being a piece of evidence is now

2187
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:30,950
for sale on Amazon it's called the is

2188
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:32,810
called sailor's anthology and it doesn't

2189
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:35,210
cost them a whole lot of money but if I

2190
01:37:38,740 --> 01:37:36,650
could plug my book in my books on

2191
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:38,750
sailor's anthology and the proceeds from

2192
01:37:42,850 --> 01:37:41,210
the sells in part is going to fund their

2193
01:37:44,820 --> 01:37:42,860
expedition off the coast of Southern

2194
01:37:46,990 --> 01:37:44,830
California

2195
01:37:47,710 --> 01:37:47,000
that's my plug for the book all right

2196
01:37:50,110 --> 01:37:47,720
great

2197
01:37:55,330 --> 01:37:50,120
I have a question in chat and it's to

2198
01:37:58,750 --> 01:37:55,340
both to both Kevin and Gary did either

2199
01:38:04,750 --> 01:37:58,760
one of you happen to catch the interview

2200
01:38:07,780 --> 01:38:04,760
with David flavor on Joe Rogan I didn't

2201
01:38:08,140 --> 01:38:07,790
listen to it yeah I Wow I watched the

2202
01:38:13,420 --> 01:38:08,150
whole thing

2203
01:38:15,460 --> 01:38:13,430
and you know I I saw today a post thing

2204
01:38:17,740 --> 01:38:15,470
on fan on listened to it yet but I saw a

2205
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:17,750
posting on Facebook today from Mick West

2206
01:38:20,649 --> 01:38:18,800
whose

2207
01:38:23,799 --> 01:38:20,659
Mehta bunk he's you know likes to

2208
01:38:26,739 --> 01:38:23,809
debunked things and he was taking on a

2209
01:38:29,649 --> 01:38:26,749
part of that where I guess David flavor

2210
01:38:31,870 --> 01:38:29,659
talks about faking a UFO when he was

2211
01:38:33,879 --> 01:38:31,880
camping you know as a joke so I

2212
01:38:36,009 --> 01:38:33,889
confronted Mick I said Mickey you're

2213
01:38:38,049 --> 01:38:36,019
trying to say that David has no

2214
01:38:41,379 --> 01:38:38,059
credibility what what's going on and you

2215
01:38:42,850 --> 01:38:41,389
know at the end he basically mix that no

2216
01:38:46,540 --> 01:38:42,860
there's definitely a difference between

2217
01:38:49,089 --> 01:38:46,550
being a witness and lying or not lying

2218
01:38:50,890 --> 01:38:49,099
to a bunch of people and doing a joke

2219
01:38:58,899 --> 01:38:50,900
so I was glad to hear that part of it

2220
01:39:00,939 --> 01:38:58,909
what did you think overall Gary Gary do

2221
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:00,949
you hear me Gary yeah I can hear ya

2222
01:39:05,410 --> 01:39:03,650
sorry I had that I was keyed over to

2223
01:39:08,739 --> 01:39:05,420
another window for a second

2224
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:08,749
so IIIi thought he did a pretty good job

2225
01:39:13,179 --> 01:39:10,489
on it I still have some point

2226
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:13,189
contentions just on certain aspects of

2227
01:39:21,339 --> 01:39:18,170
his personality but as in I've come out

2228
01:39:23,459 --> 01:39:21,349
on Facebook and Twitter and I just want

2229
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:23,469
to make sure everybody understands that

2230
01:39:29,109 --> 01:39:26,570
no matter what I think of his

2231
01:39:31,660 --> 01:39:29,119
personality no matter what he says about

2232
01:39:34,929 --> 01:39:31,670
this UFO I am a hundred percent behind

2233
01:39:38,049 --> 01:39:34,939
and I believe anything he says about the

2234
01:39:41,919 --> 01:39:38,059
flight I have the utmost confidence in

2235
01:39:44,859 --> 01:39:41,929
his in everything that he says about the

2236
01:39:47,109 --> 01:39:44,869
story and I do too Gary on commander

2237
01:39:50,049 --> 01:39:47,119
forevers one of the finest damn pilots

2238
01:39:53,859 --> 01:39:50,059
the Navy's ever produced in impeccable

2239
01:39:55,419 --> 01:39:53,869
character he just has certain different

2240
01:39:57,429 --> 01:39:55,429
points of view on some of this and then

2241
01:39:58,989 --> 01:39:57,439
we do and I think that's to be

2242
01:40:00,609 --> 01:39:58,999
understood I mean we were on the foot he

2243
01:40:02,679 --> 01:40:00,619
was in his aircraft him and you can

2244
01:40:05,229 --> 01:40:02,689
understand his whole point of view for

2245
01:40:07,509 --> 01:40:05,239
this entire event is from the point was

2246
01:40:10,060 --> 01:40:07,519
to the point that he got at at past with

2247
01:40:14,979 --> 01:40:10,070
this on we were dealing with this for

2248
01:40:17,469 --> 01:40:14,989
weeks prior to in the night yeah well I

2249
01:40:21,209 --> 01:40:17,479
gotta say something about Kevin right

2250
01:40:24,250 --> 01:40:21,219
now and that is Kevin for you to say

2251
01:40:25,779 --> 01:40:24,260
such a nice thing about David after he

2252
01:40:28,270 --> 01:40:25,789
kind of hammered you at one of the

2253
01:40:30,370 --> 01:40:28,280
conferences but I don't think he was

2254
01:40:33,010 --> 01:40:30,380
really understood who you were or

2255
01:40:35,620 --> 01:40:33,020
whatever at the time - I forgive him

2256
01:40:38,380 --> 01:40:35,630
I understand I really do and I've got

2257
01:40:39,940 --> 01:40:38,390
nothing but respect for the man now

2258
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:39,950
that's good that just shows your level

2259
01:40:44,380 --> 01:40:42,530
and of integrity as far as I'm concerned

2260
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:44,390
here's a question from Steven in the

2261
01:40:50,530 --> 01:40:46,970
chat room if they were witnessing other

2262
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:50,540
world level technology why did they

2263
01:40:55,780 --> 01:40:54,530
leave the seat the scene there where

2264
01:40:57,610 --> 01:40:55,790
there have been numerous sightings I

2265
01:41:00,520 --> 01:40:57,620
think I kind of addressed that but I

2266
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:00,530
don't know he probably didn't listen

2267
01:41:04,450 --> 01:41:02,690
first part of the show no the only

2268
01:41:06,490 --> 01:41:04,460
reason we left is because we were part

2269
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:06,500
of the US Navy and we go exactly where

2270
01:41:12,580 --> 01:41:10,000
they tell us to go yeah of course but

2271
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:12,590
but you know back to the question that I

2272
01:41:17,170 --> 01:41:14,090
had about that I mean if they really

2273
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:17,180
were witnessing something you know

2274
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:19,250
bizarre technology that was not ours

2275
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:21,770
it seems to me that they would do some

2276
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:23,600
more investigating myself that's what I

2277
01:41:33,190 --> 01:41:29,330
would think so Robert you're still on

2278
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:33,200
right yes yes I am yeah

2279
01:41:39,100 --> 01:41:36,050
so Robert were you're fading away you're

2280
01:41:44,370 --> 01:41:39,110
it's getting dark in your room there we

2281
01:41:47,710 --> 01:41:44,380
go see you're very grainy but but anyway

2282
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:47,720
what do you think you know why they

2283
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:49,690
didn't stick around and really

2284
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:52,250
investigate I mean if this was

2285
01:41:56,380 --> 01:41:54,290
technology that they were unaware of

2286
01:41:58,570 --> 01:41:56,390
wouldn't it just makes sense for them to

2287
01:42:00,670 --> 01:41:58,580
really try to explore to see what the

2288
01:42:04,090 --> 01:42:00,680
heck these things were and you know

2289
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:04,100
really well a couple of things one that

2290
01:42:09,100 --> 01:42:06,050
wasn't you know that wasn't the Carrier

2291
01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:09,110
Strike groups mission so that's true of

2292
01:42:15,450 --> 01:42:12,110
them and in the second is there's a

2293
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:15,460
certain psychological sociological

2294
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:19,810
aspect to the whole UFO phenomenon right

2295
01:42:27,070 --> 01:42:23,840
there there's such stigma to it right I

2296
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:27,080
think it's best characterized by I was

2297
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:30,080
talking to a guy it was he happened to

2298
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:33,050
be in the Navy also and I asked him if

2299
01:42:37,900 --> 01:42:36,050
he logged in the incident they saw disk

2300
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:37,910
right over their ship did you log that

2301
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:40,130
incident into the deck log so I could go

2302
01:42:46,900 --> 01:42:42,770
for you right and he said well I asked

2303
01:42:49,480 --> 01:42:46,910
the cap the captain if I should put this

2304
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:49,490
you know in our log book and his reply

2305
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:52,960
was no I want to make Admiral someday

2306
01:42:59,650 --> 01:42:56,690
right so it I don't think it's so much

2307
01:43:02,800 --> 01:42:59,660
that anyone's trying to hide something

2308
01:43:05,020 --> 01:43:02,810
as it is it's almost like if you had a

2309
01:43:11,190 --> 01:43:05,030
ghost that showed up on board right

2310
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:13,120
don't think it's so much that the

2311
01:43:17,940 --> 01:43:15,290
military tries to hide things is it's

2312
01:43:22,210 --> 01:43:17,950
just something nobody wants to deal with

2313
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:22,220
well psychologically and socially right

2314
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:24,560
right yeah I think a lot of incidences

2315
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:27,410
go untold and then you don't hear about

2316
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:29,930
forever it has a lot to do with what are

2317
01:43:33,460 --> 01:43:30,530
you saying

2318
01:43:35,380 --> 01:43:33,470
and I mean there's a lot that goes on on

2319
01:43:37,860 --> 01:43:35,390
a ship that doesn't get locked that

2320
01:43:41,020 --> 01:43:37,870
probably should I mean everything from

2321
01:43:43,090 --> 01:43:41,030
sexual harassment the violence to you

2322
01:43:46,060 --> 01:43:43,100
know like you said you know ghosts you a

2323
01:43:48,670 --> 01:43:46,070
view you know unmanned aircraft so

2324
01:43:52,540 --> 01:43:48,680
there's a lot that goes undocumented in

2325
01:43:55,450 --> 01:43:52,550
the military well someone wanted me to

2326
01:43:58,540 --> 01:43:55,460
ask you in chat room if there the

2327
01:44:00,970 --> 01:43:58,550
jamming of the radar that flavor I guess

2328
01:44:05,650 --> 01:44:00,980
talks about what are your thoughts on

2329
01:44:07,930 --> 01:44:05,660
that well my personal thoughts is that

2330
01:44:10,180 --> 01:44:07,940
he's been flying jets for probably

2331
01:44:13,540 --> 01:44:10,190
longer than I was alive at the time so

2332
01:44:16,030 --> 01:44:13,550
if he says that he was being jammed

2333
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,040
I absolutely believe him I do too

2334
01:44:20,710 --> 01:44:18,320
although I have to say we never received

2335
01:44:22,780 --> 01:44:20,720
any jamming on the chip and you would

2336
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:22,790
you had sensitive I would yeah what I

2337
01:44:26,860 --> 01:44:24,050
would have known about that was part of

2338
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:26,870
the identification process how does that

2339
01:44:32,230 --> 01:44:29,570
show up of is it like warning or

2340
01:44:36,460 --> 01:44:32,240
something yeah there's a console is the

2341
01:44:39,460 --> 01:44:36,470
ewo operator and he would get the

2342
01:44:43,090 --> 01:44:39,470
information on his console the basically

2343
01:44:44,710 --> 01:44:43,100
a direction and a strength and the type

2344
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:44,720
of Jim you know what what type of signal

2345
01:44:49,810 --> 01:44:48,320
it is you know by the way active jamming

2346
01:44:53,020 --> 01:44:49,820
is considered a hostile act

2347
01:44:56,170 --> 01:44:53,030
oh it's according to the rules of

2348
01:44:58,210 --> 01:44:56,180
engagement so okay so according to the

2349
01:45:00,290 --> 01:44:58,220
rules that was not what during the time

2350
01:45:02,990 --> 01:45:00,300
it was it my situational awareness the

2351
01:45:04,549 --> 01:45:03,000
new Jimmy but I do have to I do have to

2352
01:45:07,939 --> 01:45:04,559
believe what comparative favor has said

2353
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:07,949
about it I mean he would know for a em

2354
01:45:11,660 --> 01:45:09,690
for clarification on that

2355
01:45:14,270 --> 01:45:11,670
I believe commander freighter was

2356
01:45:16,609 --> 01:45:14,280
talking about the video

2357
01:45:19,069 --> 01:45:16,619
my understanding is neither he nor

2358
01:45:21,979 --> 01:45:19,079
Lieutenant Commander slate felt that

2359
01:45:25,370 --> 01:45:21,989
they were jammed at the time they were

2360
01:45:28,100 --> 01:45:25,380
having the engagement you the jamming I

2361
01:45:30,500 --> 01:45:28,110
believe is based on his interpretation

2362
01:45:32,810 --> 01:45:30,510
of what he saw in the video and I agree

2363
01:45:36,260 --> 01:45:32,820
carrying Kevin he says there was jamming

2364
01:45:37,580 --> 01:45:36,270
on that video I believe yeah I have no

2365
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:37,590
there's nothing else I can do but

2366
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:39,050
believing

2367
01:45:45,500 --> 01:45:43,530
well that that kind of just it shows you

2368
01:45:49,459 --> 01:45:45,510
know that the different phases of

2369
01:45:51,319 --> 01:45:49,469
Technology you know that I I wouldn't

2370
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:51,329
think that if this was our own

2371
01:45:55,580 --> 01:45:53,130
technology and we were experimenting

2372
01:45:58,549 --> 01:45:55,590
with it I would think that would be

2373
01:46:02,510 --> 01:45:58,559
something that normally wouldn't be

2374
01:46:05,890 --> 01:46:02,520
thought of as far as equipment but you

2375
01:46:13,399 --> 01:46:08,959
any thoughts on on that do you think

2376
01:46:15,319 --> 01:46:13,409
that a lot of skew Gary if there that

2377
01:46:17,959 --> 01:46:15,329
was reversed technology do you think

2378
01:46:20,569 --> 01:46:17,969
that would be part of it

2379
01:46:22,339 --> 01:46:20,579
I think if it was that high level where

2380
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:22,349
it would only be the highest of people

2381
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:24,960
that knew about it then it would be a

2382
01:46:31,580 --> 01:46:29,250
situation where it they were they would

2383
01:46:32,689 --> 01:46:31,590
have already had everything set up they

2384
01:46:34,609 --> 01:46:32,699
would have already known where the

2385
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:34,619
battle group was going to be they would

2386
01:46:40,370 --> 01:46:38,130
have already had a set plan for what

2387
01:46:41,959 --> 01:46:40,380
they wanted to do if and contingency

2388
01:46:45,649 --> 01:46:41,969
plans for anything that happened and

2389
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:45,659
then they come out at right after the

2390
01:46:48,799 --> 01:46:47,040
incident because they know what happened

2391
01:46:52,700 --> 01:46:48,809
they collect all the data they go

2392
01:46:55,850 --> 01:46:52,710
analyze how well they did and and this

2393
01:46:58,129 --> 01:46:55,860
is with the thoughts that the no one

2394
01:47:00,859 --> 01:46:58,139
that witnesses would ever talk about it

2395
01:47:01,910 --> 01:47:00,869
right well I don't think they were I

2396
01:47:04,310 --> 01:47:01,920
don't think they were really worried

2397
01:47:06,169 --> 01:47:04,320
about it I mean they really did not seem

2398
01:47:08,990 --> 01:47:06,179
worried about it whatsoever which is

2399
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:09,000
another yeah that's something that's

2400
01:47:13,480 --> 01:47:11,610
always kind of boggled my mind which is

2401
01:47:17,390 --> 01:47:13,490
kind of letting me more double

2402
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:17,400
Artech then you know alien tech why do

2403
01:47:23,930 --> 01:47:20,370
you suppose some people were asked to

2404
01:47:26,930 --> 01:47:23,940
sign an NDA non-disclosure agreement and

2405
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:26,940
some were not well because even the even

2406
01:47:30,860 --> 01:47:29,370
the because the the one that one set of

2407
01:47:34,100 --> 01:47:30,870
people that I know they had to sign the

2408
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:34,110
NDA they got a really really close look

2409
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:37,890
at these objects at a physically close

2410
01:47:42,650 --> 01:47:40,080
look where even the Jets you know they

2411
01:47:45,050 --> 01:47:42,660
were still mild you know half mile away

2412
01:47:46,940 --> 01:47:45,060
from home as they were chasing them so

2413
01:47:48,440 --> 01:47:46,950
even though they got a good look at them

2414
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:48,450
and they know what they were the shave

2415
01:47:55,220 --> 01:47:51,360
you know even even the ravers

2416
01:47:58,400 --> 01:47:55,230
description is from a distance the

2417
01:48:01,010 --> 01:47:58,410
people in the the the Hawkeye I mean

2418
01:48:03,230 --> 01:48:01,020
they're getting ridiculous amounts of

2419
01:48:06,820 --> 01:48:03,240
data off of this thing so they probably

2420
01:48:08,450 --> 01:48:06,830
know something that all of us don't

2421
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:08,460
right Wow

2422
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:10,170
you know what I can't believe this we're

2423
01:48:13,820 --> 01:48:12,000
out of time already I'm looking up and

2424
01:48:16,100 --> 01:48:13,830
it's like oh my I have to end the show

2425
01:48:18,860 --> 01:48:16,110
so I want to thank you all very much

2426
01:48:20,540 --> 01:48:18,870
it's been a real pleasure Robert thank

2427
01:48:22,670 --> 01:48:20,550
you for joining us in the last hour

2428
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:22,680
Kevin thanks so much it's always great

2429
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:24,930
to speak with you and Gary could I give

2430
01:48:28,460 --> 01:48:25,920
one more quick shoutout

2431
01:48:30,050 --> 01:48:28,470
yes go ahead some people knew and

2432
01:48:31,670 --> 01:48:30,060
following the story there is a video on

2433
01:48:34,010 --> 01:48:31,680
YouTube that's called the Nimitz

2434
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:34,020
encounters and it's at three and a half

2435
01:48:39,170 --> 01:48:35,730
million views or some crazy number like

2436
01:48:41,060 --> 01:48:39,180
that and abd is on his own dime he's the

2437
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:41,070
one that created it in for anyone what

2438
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:42,210
interesting and getting some background

2439
01:48:47,330 --> 01:48:45,330
on this go to youtube and first for the

2440
01:48:49,100 --> 01:48:47,340
nimitz encounters okay all right we're

2441
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:49,110
out of time goodbye everyone good night

2442
01:48:55,070 --> 01:48:52,080
bye alright alright everyone thanks so

2443
01:48:57,170 --> 01:48:55,080
much and we will be back next week again

2444
01:49:01,640 --> 01:48:57,180
with shark fillet he'll be joining us

2445
01:49:04,670 --> 01:49:01,650
and also Alan striven I can't I was like

2446
01:49:07,010 --> 01:49:04,680
stifle my stableman will be joining us

2447
01:49:08,780 --> 01:49:07,020
as well with shark fillet and thank you

2448
01:49:15,070 --> 01:49:08,790
and remember to keep your eyes to the

2449
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:20,110
all right fellas that's a wrap

2450
01:49:30,530 --> 01:49:28,220
okay you guys happy with that here you

2451
01:49:35,460 --> 01:49:30,540
guys always do a fantastic job Robert

2452
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:36,700
yep

2453
01:49:43,810 --> 01:49:40,400
we lost race yeah thank you guys I'm

2454
01:49:46,660 --> 01:49:43,820
gonna punch off your night Kevin all